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To: Gophack
So you would say that Jesus' command "Do this in memory of me" he didn't really mean it? That we should continue to share the Lord's Supper and the sacrifice in His memory?

The Lords supper is an ordinance of the church..instituted by Christ and to be kept untill that marriage supper of the LAMB:>)

But remember that the passover was also an ordinance given to the Jews as a memorial...

This was give to us as a time to stop and consider the Love of God and His body broken for us and his holy blood shed for the remission of my sin>

But unless you see the fulness of the connection between the Passover and the Lords supper you miss the spitirual meaning

1.Sacrificial meal. The Passover consisted of both a sacrifice and a meal, and was the most important of all the sacrificial meals. A lamb was sacrificed as an atonement for sin. The lamb was then roasted and eaten at a meal with unleavened bread. Ex 12:8-10 "For Christ our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. Therefore let us keep the Festival, not with the old yeast...but with bread without yeast, the bread of sincerity and truth." 1Cor 5:7b-8

2.Seal of the covenant. As a commemoration, Passover was also an affirming of the covenant between God and Israel, strengthening of the allegiance. Jesus speaks of the cup as a sign of the covenant, which was about to be ratified through his sacrificial death "This cup is the new covenant in my blood" Lk 22:19

3.Bread and wine. According to ancient Jewish records, near the end of the Passover meal, the head of the company would take the cake of unleavened bread and pronounce these words- "This is the bread of misery which our fathers ate in the land of Egypt." Christ substituted for these words, the words of institution "This is my body, broken for you.." Then the cup was filled the third time and raised to God in thanksgiving. It was called by the Jews, the cup of blessing, the same term that Paul uses to refer to the communion cup.

To those of us that do not see it as the actual body in substance we see it as a Holy moment of the sealing of the New Covenant..

OT covenants were sealed with meals.. Mar 14:24 And he said unto them, This is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many.

The listeners knew how a covenant was cut..as can anyone chosing to take the time to study the OT

Two of them were making a feast Gen 26:30 , and by offering a sacrifice Gen 15:9-17; Jer 34:18,19 were two of the methods..

They also would have understood Jesus saying that He was the Bread of Life..(Manna...that came down from heaven)John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

unlike the Jews in the desert that had to gather manna everyday to live,He was also sent from heaven..but they would never hunger again.

John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

They understood the comparison he was making ...

And someday the saints will share that meal

Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth [it].

It is holy to all of us!

17 posted on 05/01/2002 12:24:59 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world, he blessed the bread and the wine and declared that it was His body and His blood and commanded his disciples eat and drink of it. Passover was the meal of the old covenant, the Eucharist is the meal of the New Covenant. If meals sealed covenants then how could you share in the covenant is you didn't share in the meal? If the feast of the lamb is part of the atonement of sins, how can you your sins be atoned for if you have not eaten of the lamb?
22 posted on 05/01/2002 1:04:55 PM PDT by Flying Circus
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To: RnMomof7
I agree with everything you said except that I don't believe that Jesus was using such an explicit "metaphor" when he said

"‘Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes has eternal life. I am the bread of life. Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and they died. This is bread which comes down from heaven, that a man may eat of it and not die. I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh.’ The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, ‘How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’ So Jesus said to them, ‘Truly truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed’" (John 6:47-55).

I think He makes His point very clear. He had plenty of opportunity to "clarify" His meaning, and I believe that He did.

We actually are not that far apart. The hold up is simply I have faith that Jesus Christ is Really Present in the Holy Eucharist. I believe that in partaking of communion, I welcome Jesus Christ into my body and my soul. The Catholic Mass is about solely about Jesus Christ and his death for our salvation.

God bless you and you family.

31 posted on 05/01/2002 1:54:50 PM PDT by Gophack
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