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Palestinians Go House to House Killing Israelis
Fox News Website ^ | 4/27/02 | Fox News

Posted on 04/27/2002 9:37:19 AM PDT by TheLurkerX

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:33:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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Comment #421 Removed by Moderator

To: preacher_man
"If you're driving in utter darkness in the direction of a cliff, stopping the car is a much better idea than arguing about which way to turn."

Not if you 'die' 5 minutes later when a car filled with explosives rearends you in their utter darkness.

422 posted on 04/27/2002 6:36:04 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: ml/nj
A U.N. fact-finding mission, which had been due to arrive Saturday to start an investigation into a battle in Jenin refugee camp, will completely ignore legitimate massacres of Isrealis and focus on the spurious claims of Palestinian Terrorists."
423 posted on 04/27/2002 6:37:04 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: right_to_defend
I'm sure you're having fun with your personal attacks against me.

The last refuge of a liberal. Personal attacks my ass. You put the picture up as flame bait so enjoy the heat.

424 posted on 04/27/2002 6:38:20 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Stealthy
Only four people killed? You're sick as a dog, boy. One of the people killed was a five year old child. Either you have no soul or you're insane.
425 posted on 04/27/2002 6:40:30 PM PDT by Twodees
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To: Democrats are liars

The body of Mohammad Abu Kweik, 8, is lifted from the carnage after the Mitsubishi pick-up truck he was travelling in was bombed by Israeli forces in the West Bank Palestinian ghetto of Ramallah, March 4, 2002. Six Palestinian civilians, including the boy's mother, Bushra Kweik, 38, and two sisters, Bara, 14, and Aziza, 16, were killed when Israeli troops bombed their truck after their mother had picked them up from school. The car behind them was also hit. The man the Israelis were attempting to assassinate was not in either vehicle. Two Palestinian children, ages 4 and 16, were killed in the second vehicle.

If you like that sort of propaganda let's get with it. The IDF has murdered plenty of Palestinian children. Where's your concern for them?

427 posted on 04/27/2002 6:41:40 PM PDT by Demidog
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To: Stealthy;CaliforniaRepublican;undecided;moderate
"I have seen them by the way..."

And, you haven't made 'copies' for the networks news?

428 posted on 04/27/2002 6:42:36 PM PDT by d14truth
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To: ClancyJ
Too bad you have no idea who you are talking to. I am conservative you idiot. I just don't like what Bush is doing in the M.E. Too bad the Bushbots can't see he is screwing up. Does not mean I am a liberal or Democrat. Only to people with blinders on. Go ahead - attack me some more. I know I am right. and to the right.
429 posted on 04/27/2002 6:43:00 PM PDT by Democrats are liars
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To: right_to_defend
Yet he is still willing to order a female professional Air Trafic Controller to leave her post in case it offends his rich friends. Do you believe that he betrayed the country with this act? Yes or no? If no, please clearly state why this is not a betrayal.

LMAO! I didn't know about that one, So what? This proves that Bush is a collaborator? Friend you really need help.

431 posted on 04/27/2002 6:45:20 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: Democrats are liars
I would say he is sitting on a fence.....and trying not to fall off and it is not working!

I doubt you know what he is doing - you have no idea what kind of man this president is.

Guess you want some bully in there that pulls his six shooters out and says this is the way it will be - no matter the outcome. I don't. I want a man that looks at all options, tries to find peace first and then if cannot be found will fight. I'm not willing to send my young to fight your battles for you. I'm willing to allow my president and his team to lead my country for me because I know he will try for the best solutions for freedom and the lives of all. It may not work but he is not just doing what George Bush wants to do as you would be doing.

432 posted on 04/27/2002 6:45:30 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Demidog
Could you post more. I never get tired of seeing dead terrorists or terrorist supporters. Thanks for the pics.
434 posted on 04/27/2002 6:49:06 PM PDT by Democrats are liars
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To: Demidog
I knew it wouldn't last. I'm clairvoyant.

You're rabid, probably have mange, and have unhealthy leanings.

The nonsense about the Uzi's was made up.

Err.. no. Here you go, fleabag :)~

     
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Peaceful societies do not need general gun bans,
and violent societies do not benefit from them.
Take a look at the facts the gun-grabbers
don't want you to know.

By Don B. Kates



Americans have been gravely misled about foreign gun ownership and the severity and effectiveness of foreign gun bans. It simply is not true to state that "the U.S. has more gun availability and far less restriction than any other modern industrial nation."

That honor goes to Israel where, nevertheless, murder "rates are much lower than in the United States despite ... [Israel's] greater availability of guns to law-abiding civilians," writes Israeli judge Abraham Tennenbaum (formerly an official with the Israeli National Police and then a professor of criminology).

Israel

Israeli law requires that a person have a license in order to own any kind of firearm, but the license is readily available to any law-abiding adult who can show he or she has had firearms training. (Israel has universal military training for Jews of both sexes). And if you legally possess a gun, Israel allows--indeed encourages--carrying it. In effect, Israeli law nearly parallels that of Florida, Pennsylvania and 28 other U.S. states where licenses to carry a concealed firearm are available on application and passing a background check. (Vermonters have the right to carry without obtaining a license).

Nevertheless, though rapidly growing, gun ownership is low in Israel--because it is unnecessary. Israel is a socialist country, so the government is supposed to provide people all their basic needs, including guns for self defense. Israel loans out guns by the millions to its citizens.

Israelis going to a dangerous area routinely stop by a police station or communal armory to pick up an Uzi or a pistol. Israeli policy is that armed guardians should be near every place there are potential victims. Schools may not send children on field trips unless the children are accompanied by at least one teacher or parent carrying a gun.

At night, many neighborhoods are patrolled by "civil guards"--teenage volunteers carrying government-issued guns. If someone has disappeared (and possibly has been kidnaped), dozens, scores or even hundreds of civilian volunteer searchers are assembled and issued firearms to carry while searching for the missing person.

So widespread is this issuing of arms that it fundamentally affects Israeli firearms training. Since most pistols are not personally owned, Israelis are trained to keep them in "Condition 2" (cartridges in magazine, but not chambered). This is because the pistol a trainee may be issued at any particular future time could be any of the myriad of guns in Israeli arsenals: a Browning M-35 (Hi-Power); a Walther P-38; a Beretta Modello 1951 (Brigadeer); or even the French Modeles 1935A or 1950, or the Polish Pistolet wz/35 (Radom) or Czech CZ vz/27.

No matter how unfamiliar the recipient may be with a pistol issued him, one technique suits all: Condition 2 is a safe method of carry when there is no need for immediate use, and when all one need do is jack the slide to have the firearm ready for use.

Israel's "guns everywhere" policy accounts for incidents such as the one in which three terrorists opened up with AK-47s on a Jerusalem crowd. The terrorists were able to kill only one victim before they were themselves shot down by handgun-carrying Israelis.

The surviving terrorist was bitter when he spoke to the press the next day. Their plan had been to quickly kill 20 or 30 people at a series of public places, always escaping before military or police could arrive. They hadn't known Israeli civilians were armed. The terrorist felt that it just wasn't "fair."

Incidentally, this occurred within three weeks of the massacre of 21 unarmed victims in a San Ysidro, California, McDonald's fast-food restaurant.

Whatever their purpose, European anti-gun laws have miserably failed.

Europe

Equally erroneous is the impression that Europe is uniformly anti-gun. Laws vary. Luxembourg totally bans all guns from civilian ownership. France, Belgium and Germany allow citizens to own handguns but these countries are more restrictive than most U.S. states. In Austria, every law-abiding citizen has a legal right to buy handguns, and roughly ten per cent of Austrians have done so (compared to 16 per cent of U.S. citizens).

A shooting festival in Switzerland, with the young folks carrying their STGW 90 5.6mm assault rifles.

Switzerland

And then there is Switzerland, where the laws are similar to those in Israel and gun availability is comparable to that in the U.S. In Switzerland, handgun licenses are available to any law-abiding applicant. In half the Swiss cantons (similar to U.S. states), licensees are free to carry their personal handguns concealed. Beyond this freedom of ownership, every law-abiding military-age Swiss male is issued a firearm and he must keep it at home to perform his mandatory militia obligation.

Switzerland's enlisted men are required to keep at home the STGW 90 assault rifle ("Sturmgewehr") (above), which fires both full- or semi-auto. Retired militiamen may buy their issued firearms. Below: The Walther P-38, one of several pistols that the Israeli government furnishes to its citizens, including teenagers.

For the 263,000 officers and non-commissioned officers, the issued firearm is a 9 mm Parabellum semi-automatic pistol, either the SIG-Sauer P210 or its successor, the SIG-Sauer P220. For the millions of enlisted men, the issued firearm is an assault rifle: the STGW 90. The STGW 90 is a version of the SIG-Sauer 550 semi-automatic rifle that is select-fire, meaning it may be fired in either full- or semi-auto mode. When he retires, any Swiss militiaman who wishes to buy his issued firearm may do so.

Homicides in Europe

Homicide rates are quite low in all the nations mentioned above. However, the homicide rate in handgun-banning Luxembourg is much higher than in the others: 2.1 per 100,000 population, versus 1.2 and 1.1 per 100,000 for "handgun-ridden" Israel and Switzerland--which have the lowest homicide rates of all. (The accompanying table provides the references for homicide and suicide rate comparisons discussed in this article.)

Western Europe, in fact, has always had very low homicide rates as compared to the U.S. This is not something caused by strict anti-gun laws, because this low homicide rate existed before such laws were adopted, and the low rate occurs also in Switzerland and Austria which have no such strict anti-gun laws.

European anti-gun laws only arrived after World War I, and they were not passed in order to curb crime. They were passed in response to the political violence of that tumultuous era (1918-1939) between the two World Wars.

Whatever their purpose, European anti-gun laws have miserably failed. They have not prevented assassination, terrorism, and other political violence--problems occurring throughout Europe on a fairly regular basis, but not so in the U.S. Neither have these anti-gun laws stopped non-political crime, which has steadily increased throughout Europe since World War II.

To this issue, the further question has been asked, "Why has Europe had so much less non-political violent crime than the U.S.?" Yale University's preeminent historian, Dr. C. Vann Woodward, suggests an answer. He writes, "The impact upon Europe of the emigration [to the U.S.] of 35,000,000 Europeans in the Century between the Napoleonic Wars and World War I remains to be acknowledged. The importance of the West as a safety valve for American society has undoubtedly been exaggerated. But the significance of America as a safety valve for Europe and the effect of the closing of that safety valve after World War I remain to be fully assessed." 1

Suicides in Europe

Nor, finally, have these anti-gun laws stopped suicide, something which has always been a much greater problem in Europe than in the U.S. In this respect, one can note a curious (but invariable) omission when anti-gun articles compare the U.S. to Europe.2

Anti-gun propaganda emphasizes suicide as well as homicide. U.S. suicide rates have risen over the past quarter century (while U.S. homicide rates have declined). However, anti-gun advocates recently have taken to combining suicide and homicide figures in the U.S. This allows them to conceal the decline in U.S. homicide rates (and to exaggerate the so-called "societal costs" of gun ownership). They have done this more particularly in the last few years while the U.S. homicide rate has been declining (despite a 100 per cent increase in handgun ownership since the 1970s).

But then, inconsistently, when comparing the U.S. to Europe, they only compare the homicide rates. They never use the combined homicide-suicide figure--because it would refute their entire argument; it shows that Europe's homicide-suicide combined rates are higher than that of the U.S.


INTERNATIONAL SUICIDE/HOMICIDE TABLE*

(*Ranked according to highest combined suicide-murder rate; nations ranked higher than the U.S. in either suicide or murder rates are in bold face)

Country

Year

Suicide

Murder

Combined

ESTONIA

1995

39.99

22.11

62.1

RUSSIA

1992

26.6

15.3

41.9

LATVIA

1990

26.

9.2

35.2

LITHUANIA

1990

26.

7.5

33.5

FINLAND

1994-95

27.3

3.3

30.6

UKRAINE

1990

20.6

8.0

28.6

DENMARK

1991

22.

5.0

27.0

AUSTRIA

1991

22.3

1.5

23.8

SWITZERLAND*

1994-95

20.8

1.1

21.9

FRANCE

1990

20.2

1.1

21.3

BELGIUM

1987

19.3

1.4

20.7

UNITED STATES*

1995-96

11.5

7.3

18.8

SWEDEN

1990

17.2

1.3

18.5

GERMANY

1995

15.8

1.8

17.6

LUXEMBOURG

1991

15.1

2.1

17.2

NEW ZEALAND

1989

13.9

1.9

15.8

CANADA

1995

12.9

2.0

14.9

ISRAEL

1989

7.3

1.2

8.5

*All information in this table dated before 1993 comes from the U.N. Demographic Yearbooks for 1993 and 1992. All information dated 1993 and thereafter comes from a draft study prepared for the U.N. Commission on Crime Prevention and Criminal Justice's Vienna Session 28 April-9 May, 1997, except: a) the U.S. homicide figure comes from FBI preliminary data for 1996, and b) the Swiss homicide and suicide rates come from the Swiss national police.


Combined Homicide-Suicide

Look to the accompanying table for the result obtained when the anti-gun forces' combined homicide-suicide approach is applied to the international figures: The U.S. combined homicide-suicide rate falls in the middle of the nations, and is lower than eight European nations. Even compared to the nations with lower combined rates, the U.S. rate is only slightly higher.

Of the 18 nations shown in the table, the U.S. ranks in the middle as to murder and suicide combined. The lowest rate of all is for Israel, the nation where guns are the most available and supplied to citizens, including teenagers.

My point is not that gun availability reduces suicide, or even murder. Statistics show that the relatively crime-free nations don't appear to need or benefit from severe anti-gun laws.

Western Europe

The table clearly shows that, regardless of their gun laws, Western European nations have roughly comparable rates of both murder and suicide. This cannot plausibly be attributed to severe handgun restrictions because the highest murder rates among these nations are in the nations with the most restrictive gun laws (Luxembourg, Denmark, Germany). In those restrictive nations, the average murder rate of 2.73 per 100,000 population is over twice as high as the 1.26 average rate of Switzerland, Israel and Austria, where gun laws are least restrictive).

Russia and the Baltic Countries

Even less do gun control laws benefit high crime nations like Russia and its former possessions, the countries of Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and the Ukraine. When these and other countries were under the control of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the central Soviet government totally banned civilian handgun ownership.

The Soviet government uniquely implemented the ban by creating after World War II a unique caliber cartridge for Soviet handguns (9 x 18 mm). This cartridge is too short to interchange with handguns using the familiar European standard 9 x 19 cartridge (9 mm Parabellum, or 9 mm Luger, as Americans commonly call it); it's too long to interchange with handguns shooting the .380 cartridge. This meant that anyone smuggling foreign handguns into the USSR (for example, soldiers returning from foreign wars) would find ammunition unavailable.3 Nevertheless, though exact statistics were never released, analysis clearly indicates that Soviet homicide rates far exceeded those in the U.S. 4

With the USSR no longer in existence, the homicide rates in the former Soviet republics and Russia continue to exceed those in the U.S., as shown in the accompanying table. Under the Soviet regime, with strict gun control, the weapons used for homicides were largely knives, clubs, and other non firearms. Today, though handguns remain virtually unavailable to ordinary Russian citizens, homicide rates remain high, being committed by those criminals in Russia, Latvia, Lithuania, etc., who seem to have no difficulty acquiring both Russian and foreign-made handguns and suitable ammunition.

Violence in Any Society

Such international statistics show the pointlessness of gun bans. In any society, truly violent people are only a small minority. We know that law abiding citizens do not commit violent crimes. We also know that criminals will neither obey gun bans nor refrain from turning other deadly instruments to their nefarious purposes.

It is obvious and well-proven that the amount of violence in any particular society is determined not by the mere availability of any particular form of weapon, but by cultural, socio-economic and institutional factors that produce people willing to engage in extreme violence.5

How much violence occurs in any given society will depend on the proportionate size of truly violent people.

In sum, peaceful societies do not need general gun bans and violent societies do not benefit from them.

Don B. Kates is a San Francisco-based criminologist, professor, and constitutional lawyer. Among his many published works is, The Great American Gun Debate: Essays in Firearms and Violence (Pacific Research Institute, 1997), by Don B. Kates and Professor Gary Kleck of the Florida State School of Criminology (available for $17 plus $3 for postage and handling, and 8.5% tax for California residents, from the Pacific Research Institute, 755 Sansome St., San Francisco, CA 94111; telephone (415) 989-0833).


This article first appeared in The American Guardian, October, 1997.
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436 posted on 04/27/2002 6:53:07 PM PDT by Cachelot
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To: right_to_defend
You are also a damned liar. And yes, that is a personal attack.

Texas aviation officials said the controversy began Thursday morning when members of the prince's entourage approached the manager of the Texas State Technical College airport in Waco, the airfield used by Mr. Bush and dignitaries visiting his ranch in nearby Crawford.

"Apparently, what happened is that an advance group of Saudi Arabians went in and talked to the airport manager and told him they did not want any females on the ramp and also said there should not be any females talking to the airplane," said Ruben Gonzalez, regional manager for RVA Inc., which operates the airport's control tower under a contract with the FAA.

The request was honored, Mr. Gonzalez said, and safety was in no way compromised. He said a male controller handled the prince's morning flight from Houston to Waco, with the female tower manager on the premises and ready to work, if necessary. Two male controllers guided the prince's afternoon flight back to Houston, he said.

437 posted on 04/27/2002 6:53:30 PM PDT by Texasforever
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To: American in Israel
Just goes to show you, you need to complete the job.

I didn't need convincing, you know.

ML/NJ

438 posted on 04/27/2002 6:53:59 PM PDT by ml/nj
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To: Democrats are liars
You do not know the facts. The Bush team does and they are not talking. Your attempts to show pictures of the harmed Israelis does nothing to harm Bush. Bush has done everything he can to get this mess settled. I think you need to hate Arafat, the terrorists, and the real murderers here - Arafat and his regime.

How come you protect Arafat and the terrorists and try and cast the blame on Bush? Why not blame Sharon - he is doing exactly what he wants over there. Bush is merely trying to keep the Israelis from being the first to get hit with nuclear fire power that Saddam is putting together as fast as he can. They can't reach us but they can sure hit Israel.

I would think it would help Israel the most to have them quell this dispute for now, allow tempers to cool so that the Arabs will help us go after Saddam instead of joining with Saddam against us. Saddam is behind this mess because he doesn't want us coming after him. The more Israel drags this fighting out - the more he will have turned all the Arab nations to his side and will have the bombs ready.

Yet - none of this is actually going on in your mind. Bush is just trying to help his oil friends so that some rich oil friend will have more money. Phooey!

Bush is the best friend the Israelis have or ever will have because he is trying to get peace worked out and prevent them getting attacked from all sides.

439 posted on 04/27/2002 6:54:38 PM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: ClancyJ
Guess you want some bully in there that pulls his six shooters out and says this is the way it will be - no matter the outcome. I don't. I want a man that looks at all options, tries to find peace first and then if cannot be found will fight. I'm not willing to send my young to fight your battles for you. I'm willing to allow my president and his team to lead my country for me because I know he will try for the best solutions for freedom and the lives of all. It may not work but he is not just doing what George Bush wants to do as you would be doing.
 

So, you think he should try to make peace with Usama Bin Laden? And you are so right about giving peace a chance with Israel and the Palestinians. Lord knows that has not been tried before. I have an idea maybe we can tell Israel not to go after terrorists and then maybe the terrorism will stop. Have not tried that before. Wish I would have thought of that. Wow!

440 posted on 04/27/2002 6:58:16 PM PDT by Democrats are liars
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