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Jesus Christ and the Sabbath
The Good News Magazine ^ | December 1995 | Gary Petty

Posted on 04/19/2002 6:00:46 AM PDT by DouglasKC

Jesus Christ and the Sabbath

by Gary Petty

The Gospel writers record numerous confrontations between Jesus and religious leaders concerning the Sabbath. His healings on the Sabbath and teachings about Sabbath observance stirred frequent controversy in His day-disputes that have continued down to our time.

Did Jesus, through His teachings and actions, abrogate, annul or abolish the Fourth Commandment?

Those who argue against Sabbath observance claim that the Sabbath was a cultic law given under the Sinai covenant that has since been "fulfilled in Christ." Citing Paul's writings to show that the Sabbath is a "shadow" of Jesus Christ (Colossians 2:16, 17), they reason that Christians no longer need to observe the shadow because the reality has come.

On the other hand, Sabbath-keepers see the Sabbath as an aspect of God's will, as expressed to mankind, which transcends the Sinai covenant and has great importance for Christians.

Let's explore the biblical examples showing what Jesus taught about the Sabbath. A brief overview of these passages makes clear which view accurately reflects His actions and teachings.

Jesus preaches on the Sabbath: Luke 4:16-30

Sabbatarians believe that Jesus set an example for His followers (1 Peter 2:21-25), and it is clear in Scripture that He was a Sabbath-keeper. While it is true that many aspects of the Sinai covenant are no longer in effect (circumcision, animal sacrifices, civil laws, etc.), Christ's instructions about the Sabbath are explanations of how to observe it, not claims that He was abolishing it. The Gospel accounts were written many years after Christ's death and served as instructions to the New Testament Church on how to observe the Sabbath.

The passage Jesus quotes in Luke 4:16-30 is from Isaiah 61:1 and 2. Most commentators agree that the context is the jubilee year. The Sabbath, annual Holy Days and jubilee year were all types of the messianic age. In Luke's account, on the Sabbath day Jesus declares His Messiahship by using a passage concerning the jubilee. Notice Luke 4:21 where Jesus said, "Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

Jesus proclaimed Himself as the Messiah, yet the fullness of His kingdom will not be established until His second coming. That is why He omitted the end of the passage when quoting from Isaiah: ". . . And the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn . . ." The rest of Isaiah 61 proclaims the work of the Messiah when He will reign on earth.

From this example, we see that the Sabbath not only points Christians to Jesus as the Savior, but its continual observance gives them the hope of His future reign. The Sabbath is a reminder of the gospel in its past, present and future fulfillment.

Jesus heals on the Sabbath: Luke 4:31-39

In Jesus, the "Lord of the Sabbath" (Mark 2:28), we see the concepts of God as Creator and Redeemer perfectly joined together. Since the Sabbath reflects both of these truths, Christians should observe the Sabbath in celebration of both, faithfully following Jesus as the Lord of the Sabbath.

The disciples pick grain on the Sabbath: Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-28; Luke 6:1-5

Jesus' teaching in these verses is capsulated in The Anchor Bible Dictionary, Volume 5, "Sabbath," Doubleday, edited by David Noel Freedman, pp. 855, 856:

"At times Jesus is interpreted to have abrogated or suspended the Sabbath commandment on the basis of controversies brought about by Sabbath healings and other acts. Careful analysis of the respective passages does not seem to give credence to this interpretation. The action of plucking ears of grain on the Sabbath by the disciples is particularly important in this matter. Jesus makes a foundational pronouncement . . . `The Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath' (Mark 2:27). The disciples' act of plucking grain infringed against the rabbinic halakhah of minute casuistry in which it was forbidden to reap, thresh, winnow, and grind on the Sabbath.

". . . Jesus reforms the Sabbath and restores it to its rightful place as designed in creation, where the Sabbath is made for all mankind and not specifically for Israel, as claimed by normative Judaism . . . It was God's will at creation that the Sabbath have the purpose of serving mankind for rest and [to] bring blessing."

Jesus heals on the Sabbath: Matthew 12:9-14; Mark 3:1-6; Luke 6:6-11

Why did Jesus Christ perform miraculous healings on the Sabbath day, knowing that it conflicted with the narrow, restrictive views of Sabbath observance held by many of His fellow Jews?

The Sabbath in the New Testament, by Samuele Bacchiocchi (Biblical Perspectives, 1990, p. 68), explains:

"Christ's proclamation of lordship over the Sabbath is followed immediately by a second episode about the healing of the man with the withered hand . . . It is noteworthy that all of the seven Sabbath healings reported in the gospels are performed by Christ on behalf of chronically sick persons. These intentional healing acts by Christ on the Sabbath on behalf of incurable persons serve to demonstrate how Jesus fulfilled Messianic expectations nourished by the celebration of the Sabbath."

It is important to note Jesus' instructions concerning Sabbath observance in Matthew 12:11, 12 and Mark 3:4. The Fourth Commandment instructed that the seventh day was set apart by God and that people were not to do their normal work on that day. The commandment didn't instruct people on what they were to do on that day, just what they were not to do.

Jewish legalism had created a plethora of laws restricting even the very basics of human activity. Yet, even their regulations gave way to emergencies like getting a sheep out of a pit on the Sabbath. Jesus declared that the Sabbath was a day in which good should be done.

Jesus heals a crippled woman on the Sabbath: Luke 13:10-17

Christ is the great Liberator! This verse is important in understanding God's intent for Sabbath observance. Even the strict Jewish regulations allowed for the feeding and watering of animals on the Sabbath. If caring for the basic life needs of animals wasn't breaking the Fourth Commandment, then how much more is "loosing" by healing appropriate on the Sabbath.

Jesus' example reminds us that the Sabbath is an appropriate time to visit the sick and elderly, helping them celebrate the day of renewal.

Jesus heals a man of dropsy on the Sabbath: Luke 14:1-6

"Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?" Jesus pointedly asked the lawyers and Pharisees. "Which of you, having a donkey or an ox that has fallen into a pit, will not immediately pull him out on the Sabbath day?"

They couldn't answer Him. Questions such as these had been debated among the Jewish teachers for years, and even they recognized that the command to rest didn't include ignoring emergency situations where life and limb were at stake.

For the Sabbath-keeper, every day is to be lived as a Christian. But God has set aside one day when mankind is to renew the relationship of the created with the Creator; the redeemed with the Redeemer.

Jesus heals an invalid at the Pool of Bethesda on the Sabbath: John 5:1-18

Those who oppose Sabbath observance view Christ's statement that "it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath" as ending any distinction of days for worship or other religious purposes.

But there is a huge flaw in that reasoning. To conclude that by teaching that it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath we negate its distinctive nature, requires the assumption that it was originally unlawful to do good on that day. The NIV Life Application Bible (Tyndale/Zondervan, 1991, p. 1883) comments on that view regarding these verses:

"If God stopped every kind of work on the Sabbath, nature would fall into chaos, and sin would overrun the world. Genesis 2:2 says that God rested on the seventh day but this can't mean that He stopped doing good. Jesus wanted to teach that when the opportunity to do good presents itself, it should not be ignored, even on the Sabbath."

Circumcision and the Sabbath: John 7:21-24

Some argue that since circumcision, a sign of the old covenant, was permissible on the Sabbath, which was also a sign of the old covenant, then circumcision must have been more important than the Sabbath. Thus, they reason, once the sign of circumcision was "done away in Christ," then the Sabbath was also nullified.

Samuele Bacchiocchi, in his book From Sabbath to Sunday (Pontifical Gregorian University Press, 1977), answers this argument on pages 46 and 47:

"Why was it legitimate to circumcise a child on the Sabbath when the eighth day (Leviticus 12:3) after his birth fell on that day? No explanation was given since it was well understood. The circumcision was regarded as a redemptive act which mediated the salvation of the covenant. It was lawful, therefore, on the Sabbath to mutilate one of the 248 parts of the human body (that was the Jewish reckoning) in order to save the whole person. On the basis of this premise Christ argues that there is no reason to be `angry' with Him for restoring on that day the `whole man' . . .

"His opponents cannot perceive the redemptive nature of Christ's Sabbath ministry because they `judge by appearances' (John 7:24). They regard the pallet which the paralytic carried on the Sabbath as more important than the physical restoration and social reunification which the object symbolized (John 6:10-11), more significant than the restoration of sight to the blind mind (John 9:14-15, 26)."

Jesus heals a blind man on the Sabbath: John 9:1-34

The context of this passage is Jesus' declaration of His messiahship. As Messiah, He is also Lord of the Sabbath. Here Jesus continues to teach, as He does so many times on the Sabbath, of His redemptive work for mankind.

Following Jesus' example

When asked, "Which is the first commandment of all?" Jesus answered: "The first of all the commandments is: `Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. And you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.' This is the first commandment" (Mark 12:28-30).

Here Jesus restated the greatest commandment of the Old Testament (Deuteronomy 6:4, 5). Those who observe the biblical Sabbath strive to put God first in their lives and follow Jesus' instruction: "He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me" (John 14:21).

Sabbath-keepers see Jesus as their Lord and Master. And, since Jesus is the Lord of the Sabbath, they follow His example in observing the Sabbath in the way that He taught and lived.



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To: DouglasKC
"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." ..Gal 4:9-11 (Also, please review Rom 14)
21 posted on 04/19/2002 11:17:58 AM PDT by nightdriver
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To: DouglasKC; all
Aim for a better sabbath.
Let us fear therefore, lest haply, a promise being left of entering into his rest, any one of you should seem to have come short of it. For indeed we have had good tidings preached unto us, even as also they: but the word of hearing did not profit them, because it was not united by faith with them that heard. For we who have believed do enter into that rest; even as he hath said, As I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he hath said somewhere of the seventh day on this wise, And God rested on the seventh day from all his works; and in this place again, They shall not enter into my rest. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience, he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. For if Joshua had given them rest, he would not have spoken afterward of another day. There remaineth therefore a sabbath rest for the people of God. For he that is entered into his rest hath himself also rested from his works, as God did from his. Let us therefore give diligence to enter into that rest, that no man fall after the same example of disobedience. (Hebrews 4:1-11 ASV)
Enter into the true Sabbath rest. It is not only for the "seventh day," it is for every day. It is not merely a rest from physical labor and financial gain, it is a "rest for your souls," a rest from dead works. It changes your heart, in a way that strict observance of the Sabbath day in Israel never did. And finally, it is an issue of faith, not of a manner of observance, as he says: "For we who have believed do enter into that rest."

And this is worth notice:

Seeing therefore it remaineth that some should enter thereinto, and they to whom the good tidings were before preached failed to enter in because of disobedience, he again defineth a certain day, To-day, saying in David so long a time afterward (even as hath been said before), To-day if ye shall hear his voice, Harden not your hearts.
A "certain day" has been defined. Is it the "seventh day?" No: it is today, for as long as it is called, "today."
22 posted on 04/19/2002 11:27:02 AM PDT by Kyrie
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To: Matchett-PI
I am very aware of the Armstrong church (my father belongs to it). But, I don't think DouglasKC has said one way or another.
23 posted on 04/19/2002 12:04:12 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Matchett-PI
Don't change the subject. Those who subscribe to heretical doctrine taught by NON-CHRISTIAN CULTS like all the spinoffs from "Armstrongism", have no Truth to teach anyone.
Do you, or do you not hold to the doctrines taught by the heretic, Herbert W. Armstrong, or any of the spinoffs from his organization?

I'm a proud member of the United Church of God. Here is a link to the statement of beliefs that I share with other church members.

The church main website is www.ucg.org

It's literature outreach website is: www.gnmagazine.org

United holds much of the same doctrine, but not all, as what was taught in Armstrongs WorldWide Church of God. United and Worldwide are not the same organization. United remsembles Worldwide very little except in some doctrinal beliefs.

If you have any problem with doctrine and want to discuss it, be prepared to back up your belief with the bible. I won't debate your tradition with you.

I'll also be charitible to you and chalk up your rude and obnoxious attitude about my faith in God and Christ to your own ignorance in the matter.

I'm looking forward to a vigorous, bible based debate!

24 posted on 04/19/2002 12:57:14 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Matchett-PI
Excuse me, but if DouglasKC subscribes to the heresy taught by Armstrong and his spinoff cults, he doesn't even believe in the Scriptural "Christ" as the second Person of the Trinity. Armstrong taught that Christ was merely the first-born son of many sons who would also be God as God is God, and that the Holy Spirit isn't the third Person of the Trinity, but merely a "power".

This sir is absolutely false. I believe totally in the scriptural Christ. Christ is the second person in the Godhead, that is completely scriptural. Christ if fully God. I believe that the Holy Spirit IS God working on earth in believers.

Those are heretical teachings. A false God and a false gospel. It's immaterial which "Sabbath" their false Christ keeps

You have to ask yourself which Sabbath did Jesus Christ keep sir? And when you figure it out, ask yourself why you don't follow Christ in that regard.

25 posted on 04/19/2002 1:03:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: nightdriver
"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." ..Gal 4:9-11 (Also, please review Rom 14)

Sabbaths are never mentioned here. In fact, they aren't mentioned in Galatians at all. You would need to read that into this verse to believe it.

The Greek words Paul used for "days and months and seasons and years" are used throughout the New Testament in describing normal, civil periods of time. They are totally different from the precise terms Paul used in Colossians 2:16 specifying the Sabbaths, festivals and new-moon celebrations given in the Bible.

Basically this is referring to gentile pagan superstitions and days. The Galatian church was made up of primarily gentiles.

For a more indepth analysis, read this page. It goes a little deeper than what i did.

26 posted on 04/19/2002 1:13:30 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
Let me clarify my opening statement to you in my first post... the way it reads is incorrect... In the early church, when the Gentile believers came to Christ, there was a debate on whether these Gentiles should be prostelyzed into Judiasm. That they needed to keep the Law of Moses... (There is alot in keeping the Law that I, for the sake of time and space, did not go into)

Paul's argument was that believers (whether Jewish or Gentile) were justified by faith. That Law had been set aside as a justifier, and been set aside as the rules of behavior.

In Acts 15, a council was convened because Judiazers followed Paul around convincing Gentile believers that justification by faith had to be accompanied by keeping the Law. Again, Paul's argument was -- we Jews can't keep the Law... (he who is guilty of one part, is guilty of it all), why subject Gentile believers to this unbearable yoke of slavery. The council agreed and instructions were sent out to the church of Antioch saying that Gentiles were not required to keep the Law of Moses. A letter from the Galatians asking him about this Law business was what brought Paul to Jerusalem, and after the council, he sent the Galatian epistle to the Galatians in answer to their questions.

Paul met these Judiazers again and again... some of his letters answered specific questions raised by the churches. Some letters, like 1 Thessalonians has some pre-emptive strikes against the Judiazers before they came.

Now, if keeping the Sabbath was something these Gentile churches were to do... why didn't Paul spell it out in the Galatian letter. When the Council sent direction back to the church in Antioch, why isn't keeping the Sabbath listed as one of the things Gentiles should do? If the Sabbath is as important as you claim... then why was John in the Spirit on the Lord's Day? (Sunday) When it is mentioned in Acts that Gentiles were meeting on the Lord's Day, why doesn't one of the Apostles correct this huge error?

Just questions...

27 posted on 04/19/2002 1:27:07 PM PDT by carton253
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To: Kyrie
Enter into the true Sabbath rest. It is not only for the "seventh day," it is for every day. It is not merely a rest from physical labor and financial gain, it is a "rest for your souls," a rest from dead works. It changes your heart, in a way that strict observance of the Sabbath day in Israel never did. And finally, it is an issue of faith, not of a manner of observance, as he says: "For we who have believed do enter into that rest."

I agree with much of your post. Christ within us is a type of rest, but our rest isn't yet totally fulfilled until we are with Christ in his kingdom. The 7th day sabbath is not only a reminder of who the true creator God is, but also a pointer toward the rest to come.

Paul is actually confirming and expanding the sabbath for the Hebrew believers...he tells them:

Heb 4:9 So that there is still a Sabbath-keeping for the people of God.

The 7th day was blessed and sanctified by God:

Gen 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and hallowed it; because that in it he rested from all his work which God had created and made.

In all the bible, it was never de-blessed or de-sanctified by God.

28 posted on 04/19/2002 1:35:41 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain." ..Gal 4:9-11 (Also, please review Rom 14)

Sabbaths are never mentioned here. In fact, they aren't mentioned in Galatians at all. You would need to read that into this verse to believe it. The Greek words Paul used for "days and months and seasons and years" are used throughout the New Testament in describing normal, civil periods of time. They are totally different from the precise terms Paul used in Colossians 2:16 specifying the Sabbaths, festivals and new-moon celebrations given in the Bible.

Basically this is referring to gentile pagan superstitions and days. The Galatian church was made up of primarily gentiles.

Your reasoning would work, if Paul hadn't been talking about the Law. These verses wrap up Paul's thought which begins Galatians 3. "Who has bewitched you, O Galatians." Here, they had been offered so much and they were willing to trade it for something less than they had. The key of your verse is the how turn ye again to the weak and beggerly... Paul is talking about the Law. The days are not pagan holidays because the Galatians weren't turning back into pagans, they wanted to be Jews and keep the Law. Why, Paul is asking, would you trade liberty in Christ for a system of days, etc.

29 posted on 04/19/2002 1:41:16 PM PDT by carton253
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To: DouglasKC
Clarification of the above post

offered so much... life in Christ

trade it in... for the Law of Moses as a justifier.

30 posted on 04/19/2002 1:46:22 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
Let me clarify my opening statement to you in my first post... the way it reads is incorrect... In the early church, when the Gentile believers came to Christ, there was a debate on whether these Gentiles should be prostelyzed into Judiasm. That they needed to keep the Law of Moses... (There is alot in keeping the Law that I, for the sake of time and space, did not go into)

I think that's correct as I understand it. Basically what some of the more strident jewish believers wanted to do was make gentiles convert to Judaism before becoming believers in Christ. Ask any Jew what a process this is and I suspect it was much more difficult back then. But you also need to distinguish between cermonial law and moral law.

Paul's argument was that believers (whether Jewish or Gentile) were justified by faith. That Law had been set aside as a justifier, and been set aside as the rules of behavior.

Correct as far as that goes..but of course it was also taught that results of faith were good works. Faith without works is dead said James.

In Acts 15, a council was convened because Judiazers followed Paul around convincing Gentile believers that justification by faith had to be accompanied by keeping the Law.

The issue was brought up specifically because there was an argument about whether gentiles had to be circumcised.

Again, Paul's argument was -- we Jews can't keep the Law... (he who is guilty of one part, is guilty of it all), why subject Gentile believers to this unbearable yoke of slavery. The council agreed and instructions were sent out to the church of Antioch saying that Gentiles were not required to keep the Law of Moses. A letter from the Galatians asking him about this Law business was what brought Paul to Jerusalem, and after the council, he sent the Galatian epistle to the Galatians in answer to their questions.

A letter was sent out gentiles had to keep a bare minimum of ceremonial laws.

Act 15:29 that you abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication; from which, if you keep yourselves, you shall do well. Be prospered.

But it's highly doubtful that they meant or taught that the moral law, the ten commandments could be ignored. If so then they giving the gentiles the go ahead to murder, steal and dishonor their mothers and fathers.

Now, if keeping the Sabbath was something these Gentile churches were to do... why didn't Paul spell it out in the Galatian letter. When the Council sent direction back to the church in Antioch, why isn't keeping the Sabbath listed as one of the things Gentiles should do?

Because they were *already* doing it. That's the day that Paul primarily taught to Jews and to Gentiles. That's the only day anyone had ever known for worship in the faith.

If the Sabbath is as important as you claim... then why was John in the Spirit on the Lord's Day? (Sunday)

The bible always refers to Sunday as the first day of the week. There was no "Lords Day" in biblical times. The Lord's Day in Reveleation is the Day of the Lord, the Lords Day, the day that John got transported to in spirit by Jesus Christ to see the future. If it really meant the Lords Day as a day of the week, then it would have to mean the Sabbath, because:

Luk 6:5 And He said to them, The Son of Man is Lord also of the sabbath.

When it is mentioned in Acts that Gentiles were meeting on the Lord's Day, why doesn't one of the Apostles correct this huge error?

What verse are you referring to specifically? I'm pretty sure I know, but I want to make sure.

Thanks for your reasoned responses. By the way, what church does your father belong to?

31 posted on 04/19/2002 1:52:45 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
One other thought. You said that sabbaths aren't even mentioned in Galatians! That omissions says volumes. The main topic is the Law of Moses, which Paul says that the Gentiles are not required to keep. If keeping the Sabbath had the importance you believe, then why didn't Paul add it to as caveat. A kind of "you are free from the Law, except for the Sabbath, which you must keep."

Also, the Sabbath wasn't kept in the Old Testament until the Manna fell in the wilderness. The day the Manna fell, the Sabbath was instituted. I do not believe that you have instances of the patriachs keeping the Sabbath. You don't see Israel in the land of Egypt keeping the Sabbath. It isn't until they are free from Egypt that the Sabbath is instituted, and again only after the Manna fell.

32 posted on 04/19/2002 1:53:57 PM PDT by carton253
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To: carton253
"Who has bewitched you, O Galatians." Here, they had been offered so much and they were willing to trade it for something less than they had. The key of your verse is the how turn ye again to the weak and beggerly... Paul is talking about the Law. The days are not pagan holidays because the Galatians weren't turning back into pagans, they wanted to be Jews and keep the Law. Why, Paul is asking, would you trade liberty in Christ for a system of days, etc.

If they were gentiles, they never kept the Jewish holy days. How could they then turn back to them? Besides, like I said before, the greek words used are consistently used to denote civil times and days, NOT jewish times and days which are referred to by different words.

33 posted on 04/19/2002 1:54:54 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
But you also need to distinguish between cermonial law and moral law.

No, I don't because Paul didn't. The Law of Moses was all ceremonial, moral, and judicial. You don't see Paul in Galatians bring up the moral law.

This admission of the moral law is one of the things that had the Judiazers so upset. Without the moral Law, how do you expect these pagan Gentiles to behave properly. Paul has to address this "lack of moral law" over and over...

The standard of the New Creature is not the Law of Moses. The standard of the New Creature is Jesus. That is why win the churches began to sink back into "base" behaviour... Paul's admonishes them with a simple... "you have not so learned Christ."

34 posted on 04/19/2002 1:59:53 PM PDT by carton253
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To: DouglasKC
I think you are missing my point. The debate didn't start until the Judiazers came to the church in Galatians and started to tell them that they needed to do the following things... (All based on the Law of Moses)

The Galatians, feeling betrayed by Paul, write him a letter. They wanted to keep the Law of Moses. The letter back to the Galatians are why the Law of Moses had been set aside.

My point is what the beggerly things they wanted to turn back to was the Law -- with its forms, and symbols, and days... The verses you used has to be kept with the Chapter Three. To break them out and suddenly have Paul start talking about "pagan holidays" doesn't fit Paul's flow. They, the Galatians, wanted to keep all of it... Paul says don't turn back to that...

35 posted on 04/19/2002 2:03:59 PM PDT by carton253
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To: DouglasKC
Actually, what the Gentiles were sent in Acts 15 were things from the Noahic covenant and not the ceremonial part of the Law at all. Of course, there is consistency in all of God's covenants because God does not change.
36 posted on 04/19/2002 2:06:09 PM PDT by carton253
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To: DouglasKC
But it's highly doubtful that they meant or taught that the moral law, the ten commandments could be ignored. If so then they giving the gentiles the go ahead to murder, steal and dishonor their mothers and fathers.

No, it would not...but, that's what the Judiazers thought Paul was teaching. But, Paul was teaching even a greater holiness than the Law of Moses... He was teaching Christ our life. And when Christ is your life you cannot do the things you've listed above. The Law of Moses couldn't stop you... but Christ within... yielding to Him (Paul - how I travail until Christ is formed in you) that's the standard of the New Covenant.

37 posted on 04/19/2002 2:08:32 PM PDT by carton253
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To: DouglasKC
Is there anywhere in the New Testament where Christians are enjoined to follow the Sabbath?
38 posted on 04/19/2002 2:11:07 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: sheltonmac
If we are still under the Mosaic Law, what about the Levicital Laws? Are we to adhere to the rigid requirements concerning burnt offerings as were are to the Ten Commandments? Those commandments are a good guideline for living but have no strict hold over believers today.

Doug's church does keep most of the levicital law I believe . They are not trinitarians and believe in a salvation by works. This may be a worthy discussion however

39 posted on 04/19/2002 2:14:26 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: DouglasKC
The bible always refers to Sunday as the first day of the week. There was no "Lords Day" in biblical times. The Lord's Day in Reveleation is the Day of the Lord, the Lords Day, the day that John got transported to in spirit by Jesus Christ to see the future. If it really meant the Lords Day as a day of the week, then it would have to mean the Sabbath, because:

I have to go, so this will be my last post.

I think we are just going to frustrate each other. I don't believe the Lord's Day in Revelation was a special day in the future... I think I have to do some mental gymnastics to make it turn out like that, which, honestly, I can not do. The Lord's Day has always meant Sunday. Church history, I believe, will back that up.

Now, like I said, my father attends an Amstrong church, so, I know all the arguments that you will list for they have been listed for me countless times. And I don't agree with them. I have tried to make the Bible say those things, but it does not (in my opinion). God bless you!

40 posted on 04/19/2002 2:16:15 PM PDT by carton253
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