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To: P-Marlowe
That is a wonderful verse ..lets read on a bit...

Jhn 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.

Jhn 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and [that] your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

Jhn 15:17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

Jhn 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before [it hated] you.

Jhn 15:19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

Marlowe what is love? Is it love to allow someone to stay in fatal error (like in a cult) and not give them the gospel because it will offend them?

Is is unloving to press on someone the need to give the glory to God He is due? I believe the reason that the verse about the world hating you is because sometime loving someone can mean having to be offensive.

I love you my friend I believe you are a brother in Christ. I think you know that ..and yet we can both say things that sting because each of us feel the need to press what we see as the truth on each other.

29 posted on 04/17/2002 6:05:34 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
Is it love to allow someone to stay in fatal error (like in a cult) and not give them the gospel because it will offend them?

Under the Calvinistic theory, it is IMPOSSIBLE to "allow someone to stay in fatal error," (like in a cult) because it is IMPOSSIBLE for the "elect" to ever stay in fatal error because no matter what they believe, they will not die unless and until they come to a knowledge of the truth.

Hence, if an elect is an elect, then you could very well kill them by leading them out of that error, since they have been predestined to live as long as it takes to bring them to a saving faith. So what's the hurry?

Obviously you do not believe in Calvinism and you are still clinging to your Arminaian/Wesleyan heresy otherwise you would recognize that in Calvinism there is no such thing as leading someone to hell through a cult or leaving someone in a fatal error. If you believed what you preached, then you would recognize that it is silly to even try to lead someone out of a fatal error, because if it is God's will that they be saved, then no error in heaven or on earth is going to prevent their salvation. Further, if it is God's will that they remain in a state of spiritual death, then no amount of preaching, no amount of love, no amount of prayer is going to save their miserable souls because they were created by God as "vessels of wrath" for the sole purpose of being burned forever in Hell.

Now why is it that you Calvinists continue to insist that anyone can possibly be caught up in a fatal error? Well my theory is that you preach Calvinism, but you really don't believe it. Your spirit recognizes that there REALLY IS SUCH A THING AS A FATAL ERROR AND THAT IT REALLY DOES MATTER TO A PERSON'S SALVATION WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT!!

Your spirit bears witness to this truth. That is why it is soooooo important to preach the gospel. That is why it is sooooo important whether or not we get caught up in some spiritual error. That is why it is soooo important whether or not we pray for someone's salvation. Because it really will make a difference in whether or not they choose Christ. It really will make a difference in whether or not they accept the Lord's sacrifice. It really does make a difference whether or not they will be saved!!!!!!!!!

Now do you believe what a person believes in right now will make a difference in whether or not someone will be saved? If so, then preach the word in love. If not, then it will not matter a hill of beans what anyone believes. They are either saved from all eternity or damned from all eternity simply because they were either saved from all eternity or damned from all eternity.

If you are going to believe this stuff, then at least be consistent. If you can't be consistent, then at least admit that deep down you really don't believe it.

Marlowe

31 posted on 04/17/2002 6:52:19 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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