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To: RnMomof7
Is it love to allow someone to stay in fatal error (like in a cult) and not give them the gospel because it will offend them?

Under the Calvinistic theory, it is IMPOSSIBLE to "allow someone to stay in fatal error," (like in a cult) because it is IMPOSSIBLE for the "elect" to ever stay in fatal error because no matter what they believe, they will not die unless and until they come to a knowledge of the truth.

Hence, if an elect is an elect, then you could very well kill them by leading them out of that error, since they have been predestined to live as long as it takes to bring them to a saving faith. So what's the hurry?

Obviously you do not believe in Calvinism and you are still clinging to your Arminaian/Wesleyan heresy otherwise you would recognize that in Calvinism there is no such thing as leading someone to hell through a cult or leaving someone in a fatal error. If you believed what you preached, then you would recognize that it is silly to even try to lead someone out of a fatal error, because if it is God's will that they be saved, then no error in heaven or on earth is going to prevent their salvation. Further, if it is God's will that they remain in a state of spiritual death, then no amount of preaching, no amount of love, no amount of prayer is going to save their miserable souls because they were created by God as "vessels of wrath" for the sole purpose of being burned forever in Hell.

Now why is it that you Calvinists continue to insist that anyone can possibly be caught up in a fatal error? Well my theory is that you preach Calvinism, but you really don't believe it. Your spirit recognizes that there REALLY IS SUCH A THING AS A FATAL ERROR AND THAT IT REALLY DOES MATTER TO A PERSON'S SALVATION WHAT THEY BELIEVE AND WHAT THEY ARE TAUGHT!!

Your spirit bears witness to this truth. That is why it is soooooo important to preach the gospel. That is why it is sooooo important whether or not we get caught up in some spiritual error. That is why it is soooo important whether or not we pray for someone's salvation. Because it really will make a difference in whether or not they choose Christ. It really will make a difference in whether or not they accept the Lord's sacrifice. It really does make a difference whether or not they will be saved!!!!!!!!!

Now do you believe what a person believes in right now will make a difference in whether or not someone will be saved? If so, then preach the word in love. If not, then it will not matter a hill of beans what anyone believes. They are either saved from all eternity or damned from all eternity simply because they were either saved from all eternity or damned from all eternity.

If you are going to believe this stuff, then at least be consistent. If you can't be consistent, then at least admit that deep down you really don't believe it.

Marlowe

31 posted on 04/17/2002 6:52:19 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe;Jerry_M;CCWoody;the_doc;Jean Chauvin;Wrigley;Matchett-PI;Dr. Eckleburg;irishtenor...
Under the Calvinistic theory, it is IMPOSSIBLE to "allow someone to stay in fatal error," (like in a cult) because it is IMPOSSIBLE for the "elect" to ever stay in fatal error because no matter what they believe, they will not die unless and until they come to a knowledge of the truth. Hence, if an elect is an elect, then you could very well kill them by leading them out of that error, since they have been predestined to live as long as it takes to bring them to a saving faith. So what's the hurry?

It is indeed strange isn't it. That the Arminians that believe they can run out and single handily save souls for Christ are not the ones interested in preaching the gospel..they are the ones that compromise the gospel and leave men wallow in false non saving error.In fact they very often feed error to attract "numbers" to their churches.

While the Calvinists , that believe the business of Salvation belongs to God alone are out their trying to present a clear gospel and to dispel error. It sure does look reversed.

I would point out it only brings emphasis to the falseness of the Arminaian system's believe that if you are smart enough or clever enough YOU can win souls and God will be so happy with you

On the other hand Calvinists believe that presenting the truth of the gospel is all that is required of us. We do not have to be Tammy Baker "cute" or Robert Schuler vague to attract "potential trophies" .We do not need Crystal Cathedrals or target populations...all we need to do is be obedient giving the gospel in season and out of season.

God alone knows who is his..and so every single person is spiritually important to us..we do not want even one one left in error..not one.

35 posted on 04/17/2002 7:46:41 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: P-Marlowe
"for the "elect" to ever stay in fatal error because no matter what they believe, they will not die unless and "....until they come to a knowledge of the truth."

It's not what you know --- it's what you reject that tells the tale.

Satan knows Scripture up one side and down the other. He rejects it.

43 posted on 04/17/2002 8:39:03 PM PDT by Matchett-PI
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