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To: winstonchurchill; Jerry_M;OrthodoxPresbyterian.CCWoody;the_doc;Matchett-PI;dittoJed2...
Then why did the Savior tell all men to "Listen!" just nine words before?

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.

Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches

Winston IF means IF

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; [and] their hearts, that they cannot understand.

1,494 posted on 04/29/2002 5:48:05 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
My comment: Then why did the Savior tell all men to "Listen!" just nine words before?

Your response: Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Winston IF means IF

Unfortunately for your construct argument, the four-fold repetition of the verses from Revelation uses a formulation which presumes that those addressed will hear. Indeed, the formulation is not conditional, it is hortatory and emphatic, thus, emphasizing the willful nature of hearing.

For example, the NET version: "The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

The Living New Testament has: "Anyone who is willing to hear should listen to the Spirit and understand what the Spirit is saying to the churches."

If I said to you, "You had better stop delaying and go to the store before the storm gets worse," would you be able to find "if" in that formulation? Of course not.

Here is another example (as though we needed any more) where an inferior document (the Calvinist construct) is controlling your interpretation of the superior document (Scripture). Your construct demands it, but the Scriptures do not teach it.

Jesus: "Listen! I am standing at the door and knocking! If anyone hears my voice and opens the door I will come into his home and share a meal with him, and he with me." The only condition there is the will of the believer to listen to His Master's voice and open his heart to the Savior of Men. It is an invitation to all and only those who have blinded their minds with a manmade construct which denies the universal power of God would try to contend otherwise.

1,523 posted on 04/29/2002 7:09:24 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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