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To: RnMomof7
My comment: Then why did the Savior tell all men to "Listen!" just nine words before?

Your response: Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Rev 3:13 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Rev 3:22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches Winston IF means IF

Unfortunately for your construct argument, the four-fold repetition of the verses from Revelation uses a formulation which presumes that those addressed will hear. Indeed, the formulation is not conditional, it is hortatory and emphatic, thus, emphasizing the willful nature of hearing.

For example, the NET version: "The one who has an ear had better hear what the Spirit says to the churches."

The Living New Testament has: "Anyone who is willing to hear should listen to the Spirit and understand what the Spirit is saying to the churches."

If I said to you, "You had better stop delaying and go to the store before the storm gets worse," would you be able to find "if" in that formulation? Of course not.

Here is another example (as though we needed any more) where an inferior document (the Calvinist construct) is controlling your interpretation of the superior document (Scripture). Your construct demands it, but the Scriptures do not teach it.

Jesus: "Listen! I am standing at the door and knocking! If anyone hears my voice and opens the door I will come into his home and share a meal with him, and he with me." The only condition there is the will of the believer to listen to His Master's voice and open his heart to the Savior of Men. It is an invitation to all and only those who have blinded their minds with a manmade construct which denies the universal power of God would try to contend otherwise.

1,523 posted on 04/29/2002 7:09:24 PM PDT by winstonchurchill
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To: winstonchurchill; RnMomof7; OrthodoxPresbyterian
It is an invitation to all and only those who have blinded their minds with a manmade construct which denies the universal power of God would try to contend otherwise.

No winston, no matter how many times you say this all only mean all without exception if you yank the verse out of context. But you are famous for this!

Let us examine the verse yet one more time for our "doped up" PINO's:

But you are free to continue to beg your Jesuit masters to give you your mind candy. You are more concerned with opposing Calvinism than you are with the lost or even knowing the truth. Such is the nature of your addiction.
1,535 posted on 04/29/2002 7:46:47 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: winstonchurchill; Jerry_M;OrthodoxPresbyterian.CCWoody;the_doc;Matchett-PI;dittoJed2...
Jesus: "Listen! I am standing at the door and knocking! If anyone hears my voice and opens the door I will come into his home and share a meal with him, and he with me." The only condition there is the will of the believer to listen to His Master's voice and open his heart to the Savior of Men. It is an invitation to all and only those who have blinded their minds with a manmade construct which denies the universal power of God would try to contend otherwise.

So is he a believer before He opens the door then Winston...I believe it speaks to the ability to find the door and hear the voice..that IF is a big word huh?

NKJ
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and dine with him, and he with Me. NKJV Copyright 1982 Thomas Nelson

NASB
'Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me. NASB copyright 1995 Lockman Foundation

RSV
Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if any one hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. RSV copyright info

Websters
Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man shall hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Youngs
lo, I have stood at the door, and I knock; if any one may hear my voice, and may open the door, I will come in unto him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

Darby's
Behold, I stand at the door and am knocking; if any one hear my voice and open the door, I will come in unto him and sup with him, and he with me.

ASV
Behold, I stand at the door and knock: if any man hear my voice and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

HNV

Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, then I will come in to him, and will dine with him, and he with me.

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1,537 posted on 04/29/2002 7:57:12 PM PDT by RnMomof7
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