Does God only consider us overcomers if we struggle and sweat by our own powers to do it on our own? If so, why did Jesus die for us if we could have become perfect on our own?
Jim, if you are still asking these same, misguided questions now, after everything, then you simply are not listening to anythign being said.
Nobody here is saying that we can do things "on our own" to attain salvation. Nobody is solely depending on his own works. Nobody thinks we can become perfect on our own.
You are still fighting against a caricature.
SD
You are still fighting against a caricature.
When you come out that strong, I know I hit a truth cord.
Now please tell me then, if we both are accomplishing the same works and overcoming the same things, what is the difference if you do it out af fear as you do, or if we do the same things out of love because He already saved us?
JH :-)