Posted on 03/30/2002 7:53:37 PM PST by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
2nd year in a row the kings came from 3-1 behind to force game 7. Hopefully the same script will be followed from here on out.
I believe it was the Pens first Cup win where we fell behind to the Caps in the first round 3-1, and came back to win. These things can happen, and you guys survived.
I'm sure you have your local guys and not ESPN announcers, but I swear last night they said Kasparitis was frustrated because the coach was asking him not to run around and hit people so much. Could this be true?
SD
"Yes, we're targeting Jewish students," Chancellor Gordon Gee told a March 17 board meeting of the Vanderbilt affiliate of Hillel, the nonprofit national Jewish campus organization. "There's nothing wrong with that. That's not affirmative action. That's smart thinking."
Um. Anyone want to open a bagel shop in Nashville? ;-)
SD
Well no not technically, but he did make it clear that he is in all believers. And that all believers should be one with him and God:
Joh 17:23 I in them, and You in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them as You have loved Me.
From what I can gather, catholics are saying that the bread actually becomes Christ at a point, and then stops being Christ at a point. The bread is a host of Christ.
Believers actually have Christ present in them, we are literally hosts of Christ.
I don't see the difference.
I don't know what's going on. All I know is that he's the number 5 defenseman in the rotation. I expected more for what we gave up. Perhaps we haven't seen the best from him yet.
Fair enough.
Believers actually have Christ present in them, we are literally hosts of Christ. I don't see the difference.
Christ dwells within all believers, but you do not cease to be. If anything you and Christ are cohabitating within you.
The consecrated host ceases to be bread and become Christ in its entirety. There is nothing except Christ there. It is pure.
In this way the Presence is more profound and worthy of adoration.
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I'll nose around and see what I can find out.
It's an Oklahoma thing. ;o)
Well it is called a "host" isn't it? lol.
Seriously, it isn't an exact parallel. The bread becomes Christ's body, it doesn't just contain Christ's body. We do not "become" Christ just because He is within us.
I don't see the difference.
Well. There are actually more similarities between beliefs than I suspect any of us are willing to admit. And there is some overlap of concepts that I suspect cannot be put properly into human language. We are incorporated into Christ, we are a part/member of His body. And this is true in a "real" sense. But that doen't mean that we are a "piece" of Christ. Christ is within the believer, but He is certainly not limited to that one location, nor is He reduced in substance when a new believer receives Him for the first time, nor does He "expand" to fit the new larger "body".
It is both "true" that you become a part of Christ and "true" that you remain yourself. Understanding this unity and distinction is probably on the same level as the presence of Christ in the host.
This is partially true. While Paul quotes the Old Testament and even some of the Gospels in his writings, what he taught was not always in agreement with what the twelve Apostles and Jesus taught. They were addressing different audiences and different programs, so the messages are different. In Galatians 2:6, which is about the council at Jerusalem, Paul says the Jewish leadership at the conference "added nothing to me." He starts the next verse with "But contrariwise..." indicating that he showed some things (doctrinally) to them and that two separate gospels and audiences are agreed to for the Twelve and for Paul. In Galatians 1:11,12, Paul tells us "that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man, for I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ." So the Apostles could not have taught Paul, nor could they have "added" anything to him and his teachings.
Some feel Romans 16:25, 26 is a good reference for Paul agreeing with the Apostles and Jesus. What Paul is sharing is a prayer, or as some would state, a doxology, on the reason he wrote the book of Romans. His purpose for the epistle is stated in Romans 1:11, to "impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end that ye may be established." The "spiritual gift" is doctrine he teaches the Romans. Being spiritual, the gift, or doctrines must be appropriated by faith.
Paul then closes his epistle with "Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel..." He goes into a three phase, or tiered, edification process for the believer with the purpose of fully establishing them.
First they are to be established "according to my gospel." This gospel includes the foundational doctrines of our faith that Paul taught in Romans: salvation, justification, sanctification and glorification. The next phase of edification is understanding the Bible according to "the preaching of Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, but now is made manifest." Understanding the mystery program revealed through Paul then helps us understand and properly place the teachings of Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry and the teachings of the Jewish epistles and the Book of the Revelation in their proper contexts. Thirdly, with this foundation, we then can understand the "scriptures of the prophets," or the Old Testament writings and see they do not apply to us, although we can learn alot from them.
The Holy Spirit is telling us through Paul that if we adhere to this edification process, our understanding of the Bible will be enhanced and that we won't confused or be as tempted to claim benefits and programs that God has for others, especially the Jews. That's how we get to be "established" and can understand and appreciate the Bible in its entirety.
We do cease to be. Not physically, but the goal is to bury the "old" man and become converted to a new man.
The consecrated host ceases to be bread and become Christ in its entirety. There is nothing except Christ there. It is pure.
I know you believe this, but it's not any truer physically then a believer changing physically.
In this way the Presence is more profound and worthy of adoration.
Let's suppose that your position is true. Biblically, why would any other bread or wine besides the bread or wine that Christ actually had in his hand at the time turn into his flesh and blood?
Well good. We'll keep that in mind when the Huskers boot the Sooners all over the football field this Fall! :)
I'll ask you the same question I asked Dave: Assuming that Christ literally meant that the bread was his flesh and the wine was his blood, then how do you justify biblically that any bread or wine besides the pieces he actually held at the time can do the same?
Because the Sacrafice that He made was for all man, then and thoe after His death.
Uh Oh! I'm here for you if you need me Reg!
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