[Khepera]

Yes I did too. I was more into the commentary. 

The church and state line is often thrown out improperly. Thomas Jefferson was speaking about the state sanctioning of a particular denomination of Christian religion in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. (Like the church of England) It was not his intention to ban any discussion of God or religion or morality in the Government or in schools. He himself had Bibles printed by the government printing offices and given to the first public schools as 1 of two texts recommended by the government to be taught in school. This is a far cry from what is foisted off as separation of church and state by the liberals and libertarians among us. Without God and without morality there is no freedom nor should there be.

[grumpster-dumpster]

Again,I find myself agreeing with you on the separation of Church and State issue. My problem is: I don't know how that became the "subject" of the thread. I have tried to get through Wesley's sermon 3 times now... and it's just not "readable" (tonight)...maybe tomorrow?

[fortheDeclaration]

The church and state line is often thrown out improperly. Thomas Jefferson was speaking about the state sanctioning of a particular denomination of Christian religion in his letter to the Danbury Baptists. (Like the church of England) It was not his intention to ban any discussion of God or religion or morality in the Government or in schools. He himself had Bibles printed by the government printing offices and given to the first public schools as 1 of two texts recommended by the government to be taught in school. This is a far cry from what is foisted off as separation of church and state by the liberals and libertarians among us. Without God and without morality there is no freedom nor should there be.

You are very correct in this. The Bible should be held in esteem as should our christian heritage. The problem is due to the weakness in the Church which has lost its power due to compromise, as did Lot.