Why Christians Don't Understand Non-Christians

ArGee | 1/3/01 | ArGee

[Elsie]

Oh, even though Eve ate the apple first, it is beause of Adam that sin came into the world. (5)  Ponder that!

Humm... Yeah, whatever you say.

---

Let's look at it.......

---

Genesis 2:15-18
 15.  The LORD God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it.
 16.  And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
 17.  but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
 18.  The LORD God said, "It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him."

 

(Note that EVE wasn't around yet when Adam was told about the totkogae ..............)

 

Genesis 3:1-19

 

 1.  Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, (1) `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
 2.  The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
 3.  but God did say, `You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die. (2)'"
 4.  "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
 5.  "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
 6.  When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, (3) she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.
 7.  Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
 8.  Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
 9.  But the LORD God called to the man, "Where are you?"
 10.  He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
 11.  And he said, "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree that I commanded you not to eat from?"
 12.  The man said, "The woman you put here with me--she gave me some fruit from the tree, and I ate it."  (4)
 13.  Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?"   The woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." (4)
 14.  So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life.
 15.  And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring  and hers; he will crush  your head, and you will strike his heel."
 16.  To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you."
 17.  To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife (5) and ate from the tree about which I commanded you, `You must not eat of it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat of it all the days of your life.
 18.  It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.
 19.  By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."

---

 

1. The Serpent introduces DOUBT.

 

2. Now she knew EXACTLY WHERE that tree was!  She had gotten the info from Adam.  Adding things to what GOD had said.  Adam either added the remark Eve made to the serpent or she made it up on the fly, as Eve did NOT here directly from GOD about not eating of the tree.

3. Desirable............  Someone tells you, "You can't have it", and immediately you WANT it!  Also, the BEST of intentions - gaining wisdom (to be more like GOD).

 

4. Ah, human nature hasn't changed, "It's the OTHER guys fault, not mine."

 

5. THIS is why Adam gets the credit!

[Sam's Army]

"There is zero evidece of intelligent design." You've obviously not seen any movies starring Nicole Kidman.

[Elsie]

There is zero evidece of intelligent design.

---

Ok, is the keyboard you are typing upon any evidence of intelligent design?

[discostu]

Don't be sorry. This is probably the best religion thread I've seen on FR. For the most part (to a much larger degree than many other threads) it has been polite and respectful on both sides and I think everybody is getting a much better understanding of each other. Nothing to be sorry about here.

[Elsie]

GOD did

---

Just as I thought: you can't read.

Hey OWK! I'll bet you ain't got guts enough to poke ol' Jake here in the nose! Five bucks says yur chicken!

---

When OWK gets hauled in for assault he'll say, "Elsie bet me I wouldn't do it! I showed him!"

Clank.

[Jn316]

LuvItOrLeaveIt Wrote:

"Yep. I knocked. Nobody answered."

ArGee Wrote:"I am really surprised. I can think of a few possibilities. Either you didn't look in the right place, or you looked hoping not to find, or you intentionally looked in the wrong place, or you were looking for the wrong person to answer and didn't see who was at the door."

I was surprised when my girlfriend, who is now my fiance, told me the same thing. I couldn't understand why God wouldn't respond to her.

To make a long story short...(if you want details freemail me)God had something he wanted me to do, I didn't want to do it. Until I obeyed him nothing was happening with my GF spiritually.

When I finally obeyed (it had to do with my GF) something did happen.

She called me at work the day after I 'obeyed' and told me this: She said she was speaking outloud while cleaning. Saying basically 'God why do you speak to Chris (me) but don't answer me when I speak to You?' At this point God revealed Himself to her. Why didn't he do it the first, 2nd 3rd 4th time she asked? I have no idea.

Just thought i'd relate this to you.

Sorry about the hurried nature of the post. Time constraints.

[discostu]

Simple. Man spread out BEFORE he developed languange skills. The historical record shows that not every region developed language at the same time, each region with it's seperation in both time and space developed one of the root languages. The closest thing we have to an absolute Babel style root language would be the grunts and howls of animals and new borns; while that's certainly a form of communication I wouldn't go so far as to say it's a language.

[ArGee]

That's why it's not up to us, but up to God.

Bears repeating. No, bears shouting.

That's why it's not up to us, but up to God.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Aren't you being imprecise?

No, I really don't understand them. True, I was just like them, except that G-d got my attention. Believe me, there is nothing special about me. I am as hard headed, stubborn, and proud as anyone I know. (That doesn't sound proud, does it?) There is no reason why G-d would prefer me to lexcorp or anyone else. If G-d could get through to me, He could get through to anyone.

Therefore, there is something about those who have not accepted His call that I truly don't understand.

To Everyone: The food is good. The wine is excellent. The fellowship is divine.

Come to the table.

Shalom.

[ArGee]

Gracias!

Soy un hombre.

Shalom (Paz)

[RnMomof7]

hey that took you a long time to answer *grin*

Yes..I do not believe it is not an open meal..

[discostu]

God did. Verse 3 ends: though you incited me against him to ruin him without any reason, after that it's Satans turn (Job's life is already pretty messed up by Chapter 2). And anyway regardless of which one took the active hand God still thought it was OK to mess up the guys life to win a handshake bet with the Devil.

I know a lot of people read Job when they have a crisis in faith and are renewed. I read it when I had a crisis in faith and was aghast. Even if I believed in God, thanks to the Book of Job I would never worship Him.

[ArGee]

But even if that's the case, I prefer to go it alone.

Then you prefer to go against the Tanak. It clearly states that you have no Savior but G-d. If the Tanak is truly the oracle of G-d, then you can not save yourself.

Shalom.

[Elsie]

(Dang! I shudda copyrighted® this!)

[wai-ming]

If it wasn't for God's little side-bet with the devil, poor old Job would have been left alone.

Again, the writers of the Bible were probably using a story to illustrate a point. IMO, and I may be wrong, they took considerable license with the Book of Job. I think that if God really made a "side-bet with the devil," He wouldn't be so foolish as to tell us about it. The writers likely embellished this story to help the people of their day understand that God eventually rewards patience and faith, and that pain can be temporary. As you recall, in the end Job was rewarded ten-fold for his "pain and suffering".

Perhaps there is a greater lesson to be learned here: If we trust in God, despite temporary conditions such as sickness, sorrow, and even death, we too may eventually receive something greater than our mortal minds can imagine.

[ArGee]

The problem with your analogy is that you have a New Age view of Christianity.

I thank you for your input, but I don't think that you started your Bible reference early enough. Jesus was not telling the ruler he was not saved. Jesus was telling the ruler why his life was not abundant.

Please remember that this simple story is not a systematic theology. It is just a story to remind everyone of a simple truth.

G-d wants everyone to be saved, and G-d has made the way.

Shalom.

[Elsie]

Why doesn't ANYONE read 'til the END of the story??????????

---

Job 42
 10.  After Job had prayed for his friends, the LORD made him prosperous again and gave him twice as much as he had before.
 11.  All his brothers and sisters and everyone who had known him before came and ate with him in his house. They comforted and consoled him over all the trouble the LORD had brought upon him, and each one gave him a piece of silver  and a gold ring.
 12.  The LORD blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys.
 13.  And he also had seven sons and three daughters.
 14.  The first daughter he named Jemimah, the second Keziah and the third Keren-Happuch.
 15.  Nowhere in all the land were there found women as beautiful as Job's daughters, and their father granted them an inheritance along with their brothers.
 16.  After this, Job lived a hundred and forty years; he saw his children and their children to the fourth generation.
 17.  And so he died, old and full of years.

[occam's chainsaw]

Many of the Christians I have observed are very judgmental, intolerant, snobs who tend to look down their noses to non-Christians. I am in no way implying that all of them are this way (many of them are kind and friendly people), but I personally have observed a great deal of this behavior amongst them. It seems to me that this behavior is inconsistent with many of the teachings in the Bible. It has always confused me that these people chose to condemn the non-Christians around them rather than to attempt to help them. Doesn’t it make more sense to try to win non-believers over and enlighten them than to castigate them and treat them like swine?

I did not cite any percentages. I know of no source for such statistics.

[Cogadh na Sith]

Have you read The Koran and The Bible? Can you see distinctions between them?

Do you know how to validate a claim to truth?

Yeah, I said "How about the Koran?" to spin you guys up. It worked beyond my wildest dreams. That is why I stated it as a question.

Ya'll are an angry bunch, but at least you have no sense of humor.

[ArGee]

Thank you. If you'll forgive me, I'll risk distracting you so that I don't offend orthodox Jews. Distraction is lesser than offense.

The original Jewish Christians were writing in either Hebrew or Greek so they didn't write the English word at all. ;) They probably wrote "Adonai." I could write LORD.

Shalom.

p.s. The world is analog. Digital is just a passing fad.