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To: Cronos

——>Nah, phil, paganism is following the false prophetess Ellen G white who had numerous failed prophecies.

Catholic disinformation protocol specialists (DIPS) like yourself aren’t fooling anyone. The Catholic Church comes straight out of Paganism, and 80% of your priests are flaming homosexuals.


19 posted on 10/02/2026 11:46:11 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: Philsworld

Do you state that the Investigative Judgement is NOT a seventh day Adventist belief?

That Ellen and others claimed that the door to heaven was shut in 1844? An early title the Millerites or Sabbatarian Adventists (who would become the Seventh-day Adventist Church) used for themselves was the “Sabbath and Shut Door Adventists.
Ellen White early on in her ministry supported the belief in the Shut door as most Millerites. Despite her earlier belief, beginning in November 1848, she had a vision in which she saw the Three Angels’ Messages “like streams of light... clear round the world.” As the Millerite movement had not been significantly multinational, her vision clearly showed that new converts could be made to the movement.

In an 1849 vision, White heard Christ tell her that the door that had been shut was the door to the Holy Place of the Heavenly Sanctuary.


21 posted on 10/02/2026 12:38:39 PM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Philsworld
The "Shut Door" Doctrine: A Foundation of Error
The entire Seventh Day Adventist movement is built on the "Great Disappointment" of 1844, when William Miller’s prediction failed. To survive this, Ellen G. White and the early Adventists promulgated the "Shut Door" doctrine. They taught that the door of mercy for the "wicked world" had permanently closed on October 22, 1844, and that no more sinners could ever be converted.



Official Adventist historical records admit this period of "Shut Door" belief. You can verify this in the SDA church's own documents:
The Cover-Up
The modern Adventist Church attempts to "re-interpret" this as a period of confusion, but the documents show it was a rigid, exclusionary doctrine. When the conversions didn't stop, the leadership had to pivot to the "Investigative Judgment" theory—a doctrine created specifically to save face and provide a new theological reason for why the world hadn't ended.

Phil, do you deny this history. According to Deuteronomy 18:22, if a prophet speaks and it does not come to pass, the Lord has not spoken. Ellen G. White claimed to receive visions from God confirming the "Shut Door." That claim was false. By holding onto her as your prophetess, you are ignoring the biblical test of a true prophet. You are chaining your salvation to the wreckage of a 19th-century failed prophecy.

I am not the one who needs to fear eternity—I am resting in the finished work of Christ. You are the one desperately trying to prop up a house of cards that God himself dismantled in 1844.

22 posted on 10/02/2026 12:40:53 PM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Philsworld

And please tell me if this description of your cure SDA (Seventh Day Adventist) belief in the Investigative Judgement is correct:


According to Adventist theology, Christ did not complete the full atonement on the cross. Instead, when He ascended, He entered the Holy Place of the heavenly sanctuary.

On October 22, 1844 (the end of the 2,300-day prophecy of Daniel 8:14), Christ transitioned from the Holy Place to the Holy of Holies to begin an investigative phase.

This judgment involves an examination of the books of record in heaven. It reviews the cases of all professing believers to determine who is entitled to salvation through Christ.


Is this a correct description of your beliefs? I took it directly from the SDA websites

https://zpmadventist.org/beliefs/?hl=en-IN

The doctrine developed as an immediate theological salvage operation following a massive prophetic failure — The Great Disappointment (1843–1844): Baptist preacher William Miller calculated that Jesus Christ would return to Earth on October 22, 1844. Thousands of followers (Millerites) sold their possessions, gathered on hillsides, and waited. Christ did not return. This catastrophic failure became known as the “Great Disappointment.”

Shortly after the disappointment, a Millerite named Hiram Edson claimed to have received a vision in a cornfield. He concluded that Miller’s date was correct, but the event was wrong. Instead of Jesus coming down to Earth, Edson claimed Jesus crossed over from the Holy Place to the Holy of Holies in the heavenly temple to begin a previously unnoticed investigative work.

Ellen G. White legitimized this explanation through her visions, claiming God showed her that the 1844 date and the heavenly sanctuary shift were accurate.

https://institucional.adventistas.org/en/our-beliefs/24-christs-ministry-in-the-heavenly-sanctuary/?hl=en-IN

https://youtu.be/WxUWqfCIs08?is=CH06WGTKjyVE8GMj


Btw Phil, this is not a Christian belief


23 posted on 10/02/2026 12:49:29 PM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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To: Philsworld

Here is a concise list of documented false prophecies and unfulfilled statements made by Ellen G. White, complete with precise quotes and sources:
1. In a vision given in 1856, Ellen White claimed that some living members of her audience would survive until Christ’s return and be translated to heaven without dying.

The Quote: ‘I was shown the company present at the Conference. Said the angel: ‘Some food for worms, some subjects of the seven last plagues, some will be alive and remain upon the earth to be translated at the coming of Jesus.” (Testimonies for the Church, Vol. 1, p. 131-132).

The Problem is that EVERY single person who was alive in 1856 has long since passed away, meaning this absolute prediction failed. (The official Ellen G. White Estate attempts to address this discrepancy by arguing the prophecy was “conditional”).

2. The “Shut Door” Prophecy (Probation Closed in 1844)
Following the Great Disappointment of October 22, 1844, White claimed through visions that the door of mercy was permanently shut and that no more sinners could be converted.
The Exact Quote: “My accompanying angel bade me look for the travail of soul for sinners as used to be. I looked, but could not see it; for the time for their salvation is past.” (The Present Truth, August 1, 1849).

When conversions continued years later, the cult was forced to abandon this doctrine. White later tried to distance herself from the phrasing, though historical primary sources like Selected Messages, Book 1, p. 74 record her admission: “With my brethren and sisters, after the time passed in forty-four, I did believe no more sinners would be converted.”

3. The 1850 Imminent End Prediction
White taught that the end of time and the final sealing were occurring almost immediately during the early years of the movement.
“I saw that the time for Jesus to be in the Most Holy Place was nearly finished, and that time cannot last but a very little longer...” (September 1850 manuscript, later recorded in Early Writings, p. 58).
Over 175 years have passed, demonstrating that the timeline proclaimed through her “visions” did not correspond to reality.


Now 3 failed prophecies identifies her as a failed prophet and the non-Christian religion she founded is false


24 posted on 10/02/2026 12:55:59 PM PDT by Cronos (Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government.)
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