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The Kingdom of Jesus Christ on Earth
Catholic Stand ^ | 30 Dec 2016 | Ray Sullivan

Posted on 12/23/2025 3:28:26 AM PST by Cronos

During this Christmas season, it’s good to take a look at what the true meaning of the birth of Christ was. It was not only God being born on earth, although it certainly was that. The birth of Jesus, in fact, was the restoration of the divine Kingdom on earth, with the King of Kings renewing the line of King David and King Solomon. This is important to know, since there are a lot of people in the world today who think that Jesus will only establish His kingdom at His Second Coming. In fact, it was established 2,000 years ago at His first coming. Of course, it is an imperfect kingdom here on earth, since it is run by sinful men and women. The earthly kingdom is still holy, however, since it was started by Christ. One day, the imperfect kingdom here on earth, germinating like a seed in the soil, and the perfect heavenly kingdom (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+21:2&version=RSVCE ), will unite into one.

The Establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth in the Old Testament



In 1 Samuel 8, following the period of Samuel and the Judges of Israel, the Jews demand an earthly king. The Lord told Samuel in 1 Samuel 12 to appoint Saul as the very first King of Israel. Samuel then warns the people of Israel to obey God’s commandments, or they and their new King will fall. King Saul proved to be a disobedient and a weak King, and grew very jealous of a young warrior named David, who became famous for slaying the Philistine giant Goliath. King Saul wanted to kill young David, but God protected him. In fact, God Himself said that David was a man after His own heart, in Acts 13:22. David eventually replaced Saul as king, and then his son King Solomon took over.

After the reigns of King Saul, King David, and King Solomon, the kingdom of Israel split into two separate kingdoms around 930 BC, with Judah in the south (2 tribes) and Israel in the north (10 tribes). There was never a united Old Testament Jewish kingdom again. The ten tribes in the north were taken captive by the Assyrians in 722 BC, and intermarried with the Gentiles, thus becoming the Samaritans. The two tribes in the southern kingdom of Judah were taken later captive by the Babylonians and King Nebuchadnezzar in 597 BC, but returned to Jerusalem 70 years later, after the Persians had defeated the Babylonians. One of these southern captives was called Daniel.

The Prophecy of Daniel



From the book of Daniel we know that the Messiah himself would come one day and restore God’s Kingdom on earth:

And in the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed, nor shall its sovereignty be left to another people. It shall break in pieces all these kingdoms and bring them to an end, and it shall stand for ever. (Daniel 2:44)

For those unfamiliar with the book of Daniel: the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar had had a dream that he could not explain. He commanded his magicians and sorcerers to not only interpret his dream, but additionally, to tell him what his dream was! These enchanters of his told the King that no one could possibly know what his dream was, unless he told them. This infuriated Nebuchaddnezzar, because he figured that if they really were magicians, then they could read his mind and know his dream. Since they could not, he ordered their execution.

But then God revealed not only the dream of the king to his Jewish servant Daniel, but the meaning of it as well. Daniel told the king that he had dreamed of a statue having a gold head, a breast and arms of silver, a bronze belly and thighs, iron legs, and feet of clay and iron. Then a stone not made with human hands smashed the statue, pulverizing it. The pieces of the statue were blown away in the wind, never to be seen or heard from again. But the stone that struck the statue became as big as a mountain, and filled the whole earth. After telling the King what his dream was, Daniel then proceeded to interpret it.

The gold head represented King Nebuchadnezzar’s kingdom, Babylon. Then another kingdom would rise up following his demise and replace Babylon, which turned out to be Persia (the breast and arms of silver). Following the demise of Persia, another Kingdom would arise, that of Greece (the bronze belly and thighs). And finally, a fourth Kingdom, the Roman Empire, would emerge (the iron feet) to rule the world. The stone which struck the statue would be the future Messiah, the “son of man,” and He would destroy these Kingdoms and set up his own royal worldwide Kingdom to replace them. This stone, of course, refers to Jesus Christ, the cornerstone rejected by the builders. In Daniel 9:24, the archangel Gabriel even reveals the timeline for the Messiah to do this, using the term “70 weeks of years,” or 7 x 70 years: 490 years. Since Daniel lived around 500 BC, this meant that the countdown to the days of the Messiah had almost begun. The Jews living at the time of Jesus, around 500 years later, including the evil King Herod, knew this timeline prophecy very well, which is why everyone was looking for the Messiah to appear at the time of Christ.

Jesus Fulfills King Nebuchadnezzar’s Dream



When Jesus came on the scene, one of the first things he said was, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand!” This is significant, because here the Messiah Himself is telling us all that the united kingdom, which was lost following the death of Solomon, around 900 years earlier, was now being restored. Only this time, it would not just be a regional kingdom in the Middle East, but rather a worldwide kingdom, which would not only reunite the twelve tribes of Israel, but would also include the Gentiles as well. The new king is not an earthly king like King David, but God Himself, in the person of Jesus Christ. Notice Jesus didn’t say, “Repent, for the Kingdom of Heaven will be restored in 2,000 years at my Second Coming.” No, His words “at hand” mean right now!

So now that we know that the prophecy of Daniel 2:44 was fulfilled by Jesus, are there any other similarities between the Old Testament Kingdom of God and the New Testament Kingdom of God? Well, yes! For instance, King David conquered the pagan Gentile city of Jerusalem in 2 Samuel 5, and set up the worldwide headquarters for the Old Testament kingdom there. Jerusalem, of course, was destroyed by pagan Rome in 70 AD. We know from Matthew 21:43 that Jesus would “take away” the Kingdom of God from the Jews. But where did he reestablish it? Well, in Matthew 16:19 we learn that Peter and the Church have the keys to the kingdom of God now. And just like King David, Jesus also conquered a pagan Gentile city, Rome, and set up his worldwide headquarters there. This is the stone in King Nebuchadnezzar’s dream hitting the feet of iron and smashing it into dust, and becoming big as a mountain (Daniel 2:34).

Other New Testament Verses about the Kingdom



There are also many allusions to the Kingdom of God being on earth now in the New Testament. For example:

Matthew 5:10: Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

(The kingdom of heaven is theirs now, not “will be” in the future)

Matthew 11:12: From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence, and men of violence take it by force.

(This statement indicates a kingdom on earth suffering violence, using the past tense)

Matthew 12:28: But if it is by the Spirit of God that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.

(notice that this refers to the Kingdom having already come in the past tense, not in the future tense)

Mark 1:15: The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent, and believe in the gospel.

(here Jesus is saying that the 70 weeks of years are over, and the Kingdom is here and now)

The Covenant with Abraham Fulfilled in the Church



The establishment of the worldwide kingdom of God on earth known as the Church fulfills God’s covenant promise to Abraham for his sacrificing of Isaac (a biblical type of Christ’s supreme sacrifice), concerning the people of all of the nations on earth (a Catholic, or Universal Church), in Genesis 22:16-18: By myself I have sworn, says the Lord, because you have done this, and have not withheld your son, your only son, I will indeed bless you, and I will multiply your descendants as the stars of heaven and as the sand which is on the seashore. And your descendants shall possess the gate of their enemies, and by your descendants shall all the nations of the earth bless themselves, because you have obeyed my voice.

This is confirmed for us by St. Peter in Acts 3:25: You are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant which God gave to your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your descendants shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’

And by St. Paul as well, in Galatians 3:8: And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the Gentiles by faith, preached the gospel beforehand to Abraham, saying, ‘In you shall all the nations be blessed.’

A Heavenly Kingdom as Well?



But isn’t the kingdom of God in heaven? Yes it is! Wherever Jesus is, there is the kingdom. Jesus is certainly in heaven, sitting at the right hand of the Father. But Jesus is also present on earth, as well. He is present in His written Word, whenever we read it. He is also present in the tabernacle in every Catholic Church on earth, in the Word made flesh known as the Eucharist. He is present in the poor, because we have his promise that “whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do it to Me.” (Matthew 25:40). Jesus is also present in our bodies, because our bodies are temples to the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:19), and Jesus and the Holy Spirit are totally united in the Trinity, along with the Father.

The Kingdom in the “Our Father”



When we pray the “Our Father,” and say,“thy kingdom come, thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven,” we are praying for the unification of the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom, so that the earthly kingdom becomes like the heavenly kingdom. Being composed of fallible men and women, the earthly kingdom known as the Church is certainly full of problems and sin, but thanks to Jesus, its head (Ephesians 5:23), it is still holy. Once completely united with its heavenly counterpart, whenever that happens, all of the sinfulness in the earthly Church will be eliminated.


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the kingdom of God is in the here and now, present in and through the Church. Yet it is a mixed reality that will only be perfectly realized at the end of history. This current “mixed” state can be seen as the Church on earth which now grows in the field of the world with both weeds and wheat until the harvest when Christ says he will “tell the reapers, Gather the weeds first and bind them in bundles to be burned. But gather the wheat into my barn” (Matt 13:30).
1 posted on 12/23/2025 3:28:26 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Cronos

Thanks for posting.


2 posted on 12/23/2025 3:49:33 AM PST by PGalt (Past Peak Civilization?)
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To: Cronos

“The word of God.”


3 posted on 12/23/2025 3:51:03 AM PST by spincaster (eople)
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To: Cronos

Thanks so much for posting!


4 posted on 12/23/2025 3:52:59 AM PST by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: spincaster
True, as we read in John chapter 1: 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him: and without him was made nothing that was made. 4 In him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shineth in darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.

Jesus as the Logos, the Word of God came to bring light to the world and to inaugurate His kingdom

5 posted on 12/23/2025 5:08:18 AM PST by Cronos
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To: Tell It Right

Waiting for that wonderful time of God’s Kingdom coming to Earth.


6 posted on 12/23/2025 6:34:05 AM PST by oldtech
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To: Cronos

What is the fifth kingdom of iron and clay? This is the kingdom of the Antichrist, which has not yet come to pass.

Daniel’s 69 weeks (483 years) began in between Artaxerxes’ Decree to Ezra in 457 bc and Artaxerxes’ Decree to Nehemiah in 445 bc. The most likely date of the crucifixion of Christ was Friday, April 3, 33 ad. So we have,
33 - 483 (69 weeks) + 1 (no year zero) = 451 bc. This prophesy is extremely precise. But the 70th week has not yet come to pass, yet.

We know from Matthew 21:43 that Jesus would “take away” the Kingdom of God from the Jews.

Jesus was talking about the religious leaders of that time, who rejected Jesus as Messiah, and fulfilled prophesy. The Holy Spirit filled the Apostles first, who were Jews. God has a plan for Israel and in the end, all Israel will be saved. It is a great mystery.

“I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you will not be conceited: A hardening in part has come to Israel, until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:” Rom. 11:25,26

Constantine brought Christianity to the Roman Empire in 324 ad (see Nicene Creed). The HQ was officially moved from Constantinople to Rome with the crowning of King Charlemagne in 800 ad, now the largest Christian church, the Catholics, brothers and sisters in Christ.
But when Jesus returns to judge the world, he will establish his kingdom and rule on Earth (for 1,000 years) with his HQ in Jerusalem. Let us not confuse this present would with that which is to come, when paradise returns to Earth.

Then the seventh angel sounded his trumpet, and loud voices called out in heaven:
“The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ, and He will reign forever and ever.” Rev. 11:15


7 posted on 12/23/2025 7:49:49 AM PST by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: Cronos
But of course it's not a "literal kingdom." Just like the Six Days of Creation weren't "literal days."

Meanwhile hypocritical Catholics await the Great Catholic Monarch or the Emperor of the Last Days or the Restored House of Bourbon or the Reign of Mary to create the same "earthly kingdom" Fundamentalist Protestants get criticized for. The only difference is the latter are waiting the literal "messiah" and the former are not.

8 posted on 12/23/2025 8:08:03 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (בראשית ברא אלקים את השמים ואת הארץ)
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To: thepoodlebites

The thousand year reign has already occurred. From Constantine to Martin Luther. He has reigned in the Catholic Church, and he resides in tabernacles all over the Earth.

When He comes again, He says “look up, for your salvation is at hand”. He will make all things new. If you think He will reign for a thousand years, you are being set up for the Anti-Christ.

I know that my Redeemer lives!


9 posted on 12/23/2025 9:20:22 AM PST by blackpacific
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The thousand year reign has already occurred. From Constantine to Martin Luther. He has reigned in the Catholic Church, and he resides in tabernacles all over the Earth.

During the Dark Ages, eh? In a homosexual infested religious organization that kept people from God's Word? THAT Catholic church?

Did He head up the Inquisition, too?

And we're supposed to believe that THAT was the 1,000 year reign of Christ?

And then what did He do? Abandon us?

He has reigned in the Catholic Church, and he resides in tabernacles all over the Earth.

Scripture tells us otherwise.

Acts 17:24-25 The God who made the world and everything in it, being Lord of heaven and earth, does not live in temples made by man, nor is he served by human hands, as though he needed anything, since he himself gives to all mankind life and breath and everything.

FWIW, He dwells within Christians.

Romans 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him. For God's temple is holy and you are that temple.

1 Corinthians 6:19-20 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own, for you were bought with a price. So glorify God in your body.

2 Corinthians 6:16For we are the temple of the living God; as God said,“I will make my dwelling among them and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2 Timothy 4:14 By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

Galatians 4:4-7 But when the fullness of time had come, God sent forth his Son, born of woman, born under the law, to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” So you are no longer a slave, but a son, and if a son, then an heir through God.

1 Timothy 1:14 By the Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you.

10 posted on 12/23/2025 11:35:08 AM PST by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon." Amen. Come, Lord Jesus….)
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To: metmom; .45 Long Colt; Apple Pan Dowdy; BDParrish; Big Red Badger; BlueDragon; boatbums; bonfire; ..
List of verses (copy and paste) provided in support of future The Establishment of the Kingdom of God on Earth in the Old Testament, though there are believers on both sides.
Sources: https://www.openbible.info/topics/the_millennium https://www.onepagebiblesummary.com/prophecy/P01_prophecylist_eng.pdf

 

List of prophecies:
1. Ezekiel 20:30-39: Clear prediction of God removing idolatry from Israel during the
exile.
2. Ezekiel 36:16-38: Concurrent restoration of the land and filling by the Holy Spirit.
3. Ezekiel 38-39: Battle of Gog, God’s great rescue of Israel in the Tribulation.
4. Hosea 6, 11, 14: Predicting Israel’s demise yet with restoration when repentance
occurs.
5. Malachi 3:16 – 4:6: Promise of care and restoration for the true spiritual remnant.
6. Zephaniah 3:1-13: Prophecy of a purified remnant like the 144,000 during the
Tribulation.
7. Amos 9:11-15: Restoration of the Jewish Remnant who will be leading Gentiles to
Christ.
8. Daniel 9:24-27: God’s timeline of full restoration for Jerusalem and His people the
Jews.
9. Ezekiel 34:11-22: God brings salvation but removes the bad sheep before the
Millennium.
10. Hosea 1:10-11; 2:23; 3:4-5: All conditions are met for the return of the Messiah.
11. Isaiah 10:20-34: Remnant emerging during the Tribulation will face a key enemy at
Nob.
12. Isaiah 11:10-16: Areas of God’s remnant migration in the end time before the
Millennium.
13. Isaiah 34:1-10, 63:1-6 and Ezekiel 35:1-9: Battle of Bozrah to deliver Israel’s
remnant.
14. Jeremiah 23:1-12: Shepherds will be raised for the remnants returning to Israel.
15. Jeremiah 30-33: Book of Consolation: Nature and timing of God’s restoration for
Israel.
16. Joel 2: 28-32: Holy Spirit’s coming at Pentecost and to Messianic Jews in this same
era.
17. Luke 21:20-28: Fall of Jerusalem and her recapture to fulfil “the times of the
Gentiles”.
18. Matthew 10:17-23 & Luke 17:22-37: Same as in days of Noah and Lot – when will
it be?
19. Matthew 24, 25 & Mark 13: Jesus’s Olivet Discourse dealing with the end times.
20. Micah 5: The Messiah’s coming and God working again through His victorious
remnant.
21. Micah 7:13-17: God protects the fleeing remnant during the Tribulation as in the
Exodus.
22. Revelation 14:1-7: the spiritual characteristics and the mission of the 144,000.
23. Rev. 12:13-14 and Isa. 16:1-4; 41:17-20: A special hiding place prepared for the
remnant.
24. Romans 11: 25-27: The partial hardening of the Jews will end.
25. Zechariah 12:1 to 14:5: Israel’s national repentance with Christ returning to save
them.

More (though ESV)

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+7%3A16&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Timothy+2%3A12&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts+1%3A6&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Amos+9%3A11-15&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+2%3A35&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+2%3A44&version=ESV
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A13-14&version=ESV
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel+7%3A27&version=ESV
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ecclesiastes+2%3A1-26&version=ESV
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11 posted on 12/23/2025 3:57:32 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212

Serious concern with Christians believing they’re the Jewish remnant that will be the land owners of Israel/Jerusalem because the Jews reneged on the promise God gave to Abraham


12 posted on 12/23/2025 5:21:47 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: blackpacific

The thousand year reign has already occurred. From Constantine to Martin Luther. He has reigned in the Catholic Church, and he resides in tabernacles all over the Earth.

What about the Indulgence Controversy, where the Church sold permits to commit sins, for like theft or adultery etc? That was Martin Luther’s primary complaint? Was that part of Christ’s reign on Earth?


13 posted on 12/23/2025 6:05:54 PM PST by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: Karliner
Serious concern with Christians believing they’re the Jewish remnant that will be the land owners of Israel/Jerusalem because the Jews reneged on the promise God gave to Abraham

That is why "blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:' (Romans 11:25-26)

If you follow their, them, they in Romans 11 alone then it foretells a future time when the judicial curse shall be removed, and so all (what is left of) Israel shall be saved. And thus the extensive detailed prophecies in Ezekiel, Zechariah etc. Spiritualizing such away as being the church is simply absurd.

14 posted on 12/23/2025 6:41:06 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: daniel1212
Well done.

My take re: AI and problem of interpreting crow "language" is that AI struggles with “crow language” not because there isn’t enough data, but because there’s no way to close the meaning loop.

With humans, sounds and words can be mapped to intentions, explanations, and even delayed actions because people can tell us what they mean and correct us when we’re wrong.

With crows, we can sometimes map calls to immediate context or behavior, but we have no reliable way to link calls to later actions, abstract plans, or internal thoughts. Without that grounding, AI can detect patterns in crow vocalizations—but it can’t translate them as language in the human sense.

15 posted on 12/24/2025 2:42:40 AM PST by RoosterRedux (“Critical thinking is hard; that’s why most people just jump to conclusions.”—Jung (paraphrased))
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To: daniel1212

Oops, wrong thread.;-)


16 posted on 12/24/2025 2:56:53 AM PST by RoosterRedux (“Critical thinking is hard; that’s why most people just jump to conclusions.”—Jung (paraphrased))
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To: RoosterRedux

When I see a crow in a tree or on top of a building, I caw at him. He caws back. There’s a back and forth until he either holds his ground or flies away. Most of the time, he flies away. I like cawing at them.


17 posted on 12/24/2025 1:25:07 PM PST by thepoodlebites (and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.)
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To: thepoodlebites

Haha. So do I.


18 posted on 12/24/2025 2:24:19 PM PST by RoosterRedux (“Critical thinking is hard; that’s why most people just jump to conclusions.”—Jung (paraphrased))
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To: daniel1212

Being a peaceful man I pray we can forego all the horrors of what will happen with Israel but every knee will bow before the King of Kings.


19 posted on 12/24/2025 4:19:02 PM PST by Karliner (Heb 4:12 Rom 8:28 Rev 3, "...This is the end of the beginning." Churchill)
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To: metmom

51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. 52 If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. 53 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? 54 Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. 55 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.

Note...[54] “Eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood”: To receive the body and blood of Christ, is a divine precept, insinuated in this text; which the faithful fulfil, though they receive but in one kind; because in one kind they receive both body and blood, which cannot be separated from each other. Hence, life eternal is here promised to the worthy receiving, though but in one kind. Ver. 52. If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh for the life of the world. Ver. 58. He that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. Ver. 59. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever.

56 For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. 57 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. 58 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me. 59 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead. He that eateth this bread, shall live for ever. 60 These things he said, teaching in the synagogue, in Capharnaum.


20 posted on 12/25/2025 11:11:45 AM PST by blackpacific
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