What is antinomianism?

Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary ^ | 06/25/2024 | Tom Hicks

[vespa300]

The word “antinomianism” simply means “against the law.” “Anti” means against, and “nomos” means law. An antinomian is anyone who denies that God’s law is the standard or rule of conduct in the life of the believer. ........

And so they come to believe that Christ died so that they don’t need to worry about keeping God’s law, and they can safely stay in their sins against God’s law. To antinomians, the cross means that they can live their lives without measuring themselves against God’s law anymore. To an antinomian, God’s law is harsh, terrifying, and almost cruel.

But if antinomians really believed in the true goodness and grace of God, then they would believe that God’s law is also good and gracious. Where does God’s law come from? It comes from God! And if God’s law comes from God then it must be good. In Psalm 119:97 David says, “Oh how I love your law! It is my meditation all the day.”

[vespa300]

Pretty good definition of an Antinomian. Based on what I see here in the religion forum of FR, I would say the majority of you are in fact "Antinomian."

Of course it's because of the Sabbath. You deny God's law , the 10 commandments because of 1 of the commandments. So you use the whole "law" motif to justify your position...i.e. "WE are under grace not law"...

Of course when it comes to homosexuality or abortion..hey, suddenly God has laws again. Picky choosy with God's laws.....not to mention stealing your neighbors newspaper or cheating on your wife. God has laws again suddenly. It's that dang Sabbath that gets in the way of everything for you.

So, You really mean you believe in the other 9 commandments, just not the Sabbath day commandment. Other manuevers include labeling it a "ceremonial" law, a Jewish law, an old covenant law. Etc.

Confusion abounds. Spurgeon made a great statement..something to the effect that to have a proper understanding of the 2 covenants makes a good theologian. And I would add, to have a proper understanding of the moral vs. the ceremonia law also makes for a good theologian and a good Christian. Let's discuss.

[Flaming Conservative]

I’m not going to argue with you, so don’t bother replying, but if you believed in the Bible instead of Ellen G White’s teachings, you might have a leg to stand on. As it is, you got nothin’.

[vespa300]

The Baptist who authored this piece on Antinomianism or the denial that God has a moral law for the Christian to live by and obey.....he makes some great points I think.

I really like this statement for example.

Quote:

“So, the main mistake in antinomianism is doubting the goodness and graciousness of God. Both legalists and antinomians make this mistake of separating the law of God from the good and gracious character of God.”

Amen! That is why Paul said the law, and he’s talking about the MORAL LAW, the 10 commmandments are “holy just and good” Romans 7:12.

Is he saying we keep the law to get saved? Of course now...we obey God because we ARE saved. It’s fruit. In Romans 2:13 Paul says.....

For not the hearers of the law are right before God.....but the DOERS OF THE LAW will be justified. It’s right there in Romans 2:13.

Is Paul saying or anyone saying this is righteousness by work? No. Paul is saying when the love of God gets in you....it will be revealed by obedience to God’s commandments.......not FOR salvation...but FROM salvation.

See anyone can talk the talk. God is looking for people with faith so solid, they walk the walk. James 2:24 says.....and I quote:

“24 You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith only.”

James is talking a man who bragged he had no works to go with his faith. See verse 14. That sets the context.

Well, as i said.....most here on FR are clearly Antinomian because of the 4th commandment. One woman said earlier the 4th commandment is not a “mandate.”

Imagine the human mind that can turn a “commandment”...yes, one of the “commandments”...into a “suggestion.” Or maybe some “advice.”

It’s bizarre what people can come up with. She apparently believes in the 9 commandments and 1 suggestion. Rest on the Sabbath....

Weird.

[vespa300]

____I’m not going to argue with you, so don’t bother replying, but if you believed in the Bible instead of Ellen G White’s teachings, you might have a leg to stand on. As it is, you got nothin’.___

IT’s amazing how many Freepers can’t read. This was from a Baptist....the “Covenant Baptist Theological Seminary.”

It helps to read. Try it.

[Jonty30]

Im probably an antinominist. We can keep the law, and should keep the law, but we cannot keep it at a selfless level, but for selfish reasons.

[vespa300]

I like what Luther said about “Antinomianism”

Quote:

‘Listen, you want to be a Christian while you are an adulterer, a fornicator, a swill-belly, full of pride, avarice, usurious practices, envy, revenge, malice, etc., and mean to continue in these sins?’ On the contrary, they tell us that this is the proper way to speak: ‘Listen, you are an adulterer, fornicator, miser, or addicted to some other sin. Now, if you will only believe, you are saved and need not dread the Law, for Christ has fulfilled all.’

Wow.I love how Luther told it like it was. Whether it was calling out the man of sin, the Papacy, or this ridiculous notion that since Jesus fulfilled the law, the Christian can therefore continue in his sin...he says adulterer, fornicator, miser, or addiction to some other sin.....then he mocks this stupid theology.....”Just believe are saved....” He mocks that....

Yeah...Luther was great......a great man of God wasn’t he?

Here’s the Link:

https://www.monergism.com/blog/luther-antinomianism

[af_vet_1981]

Of course it's because of the Sabbath. You deny God's law

Do you obey God's law of circumcision ?

Genesis 17:

[9] And God said unto Abraham, Thou shalt keep my covenant therefore, thou, and thy seed 
after thee in their generations.
[10] This is my covenant, which ye shall keep, 
between me and you and thy seed after thee; 
Every man child among you shall be circumcised.
[11] And ye shall circumcise the flesh of your foreskin; 
and it shall be a token of the covenant betwixt me and you.
[12] And he that is eight days old shall be circumcised among you, 
every man child in your generations, 
he that is born in the house, 
or bought with money of any stranger, 
which is not of thy seed.
[13] He that is born in thy house, and he that is bought with thy money, must needs be circumcised: 
and my covenant shall be in your flesh for an everlasting covenant.
[14] And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, 
that soul shall be cut off from his people; 
he hath broken my covenant.


Exodus 12:

[43] And the LORD said unto Moses and Aaron, 
This is the ordinance of the passover: There shall no stranger eat thereof:
[44] But every man's servant that is bought for money, 
when thou hast circumcised him, then shall he eat thereof.
[45] A foreigner and an hired servant shall not eat thereof.
[46] In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; 
neither shall ye break a bone thereof.
[47] All the congregation of Israel shall keep it.
[48] And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to the LORD, 
let all his males be circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; 
and he shall be as one that is born in the land: 
for no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.
[49] One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the stranger that sojourneth among you.

[Tell It Right]

Much of the arguing on the topic is the assumption that the other "side" believes in a mutual exclusivity on the topic. Which IMHO isn't Biblical.

In other words, I believe that I'm saved by grace, not works, and there's no way I can earn my way to Heaven (Ephesians 2:8). I also believe that God calls us to live holy lives (1 Peter 1). Put the two together and Christianity is a live-it-like-ya-mean-it religion, but with humility about ourselves knowing that we're not earning God's blessings. He's blessing us more than we deserve.

Don't fall for the logical fallacy of believing that you can't promote being saved by grace alone, without also promoting living the kind of holy lives our culture needs to see right now more than ever.

[vespa300]

Luther goes on to say:

Quote:

hey preach only about the redemption of Christ. It is proper to extol Christ in our preaching; but Christ is the Christ and has acquired redemption from sin and death for this very purpose that the Holy Spirit should change our Old Adam into a new man, that we are to be dead unto sin and live unto righteousness, as Paul teaches Rom. 6, 2 ff., and that we are to begin this change and increase in this new life here and consummate it hereafter.

Booyah.....we are a new man! We are to change. Peter said “Repent”...that means to turn from sin and sin is defined as transgression of the law.

The Antinomian says for the believer there is no law. If there is no law....there is no sin. That’s what the atheist believes! No God so no sin.

Weird so many here believe what the Atheist believes. He doesn’t believe in God’s law either.

[vespa300]

____Of course it’s because of the Sabbath. You deny God’s law

Do you obey God’s law of circumcision ?____

Circumsion is in the 10 commandments?

[af_vet_1981]

Circumsion is in the 10 commandments?

Do you pick and choose which of God's commandments you break; by whose authority do you do this ?

[vespa300]

____Don’t fall for the logical fallacy of believing that you can’t promote being saved by grace alone, without also promoting living the kind of holy lives our culture needs to see right now more than ever.____

I believe I am saved by Grace alone. I also believe a loving response to this amazing grace will be revealed by obedience to God’s good, holy and just law. I fail often too. I don’t have perfect love, perfect patience, I don’t keep the Sabbath perfect, I don’t obey any of the commandments perfectly.

Thank God for GRACE . I need it. Every day. But that does not abolish the moral law, in stone. God had to die because of sin. Otherwise, he could have just changed the law. The law is a transcript of his character and only the lawgiver could make a full atonement for the transgression of his law. That’s how I read the Bible that’s how the Protestant Reformers read it too.

They kept Sunday too. As the weekly holy day. They believed in all 10 commandments.....not just 9.

[vespa300]

___Circumsion is in the 10 commandments?__

___Do you pick and choose which of God’s commandments you break; by whose authority do you do this ?___

I’m sorry you don’t know the difference between the ceremonial laws of Moses written in a book by Moses that came after sin...and the moral law written by God in stone...including the holy Sabbath that PREDATES sin.

I just don’t have the time anymore to teach you basic 101 Theology.

How depressing Christians today put circumcision with the 10 commandments...on the same level. We have become a nation of Bible illiterates.

[Philsworld]

——>Do you obey God’s law of circumcision ?

Which of the moral 10 commandments was that?

It wasn’t. Circumcision is now spiritual and of the heart. (Literal Israel is finished)

1 Corinthians 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing. Keeping God’s commandments is what counts.

[af_vet_1981]

They believed in all 10 commandments.

And yet the two greatest commandments are not listed there; they appear elsewhere.

The First:
Deuteronomy 6:



[1] Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, 
which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, 
that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
[2] That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, 
to keep all his statutes and his commandments, 
which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son,
all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
[3] Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; 
that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, 
as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, 
in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
[4] Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
[5] And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, 
and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
[6] And these words, which I command thee this day, 
shall be in thine heart:
[7] And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, 
and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
[8] And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, 
and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
[9] And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.



The Second:
Leviticus 19:

[16] Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: 
neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour: I am the LORD.
[17] Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: 
thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, 
and not suffer sin upon him.
[18] Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, 
but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

[fidelis]

Of course it's because of the Sabbath.

[af_vet_1981]

Literal Israel is finished

Have the sun, the moon, and the stars disappeared from your eyes ?

Jeremiah 31:

[35] Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, 
and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, 
which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; 
The LORD of hosts is his name:
[36]If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, 
then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
[37] Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured,
and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, 
I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
for all that they have done, saith the LORD.

[sauropod]

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[Z28.310]

“They’re baaaaaaaack”

[Z28.310]