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[Catholic / Orthodox Caucus] Leo XIV Eliminates the Filioque with a Footnote
Gloria TV ^ | November 23, 2025 | Gloria TV

Posted on 11/23/2025 3:29:19 PM PST by ebb tide

[Catholic / Orthodox Caucus] Leo XIV Eliminates the Filioque with a Footnote

Pope Leo XIV has issued a new Apostolic Letter titled In unitate fidei (“In the Unity of Faith”), calling Christians to renewed "dialogue" and "unity".

Released on Sunday to mark the 1,700th anniversary of the Council of Nicaea, the document contains the usual word salad about "shared foundations" of the Christian faith. Next Friday, Leo XIV and the controversial Orthodox Patriarch Bartholomew will visit Nicaea, near today’s Iznik in Turkey.

Credo in pluralitatem Ecclesiarum

In the new letter, Leo XIV writes that Christian unity is not about “returning” to the past, but about “an ecumenism that looks to the future, that seeks reconciliation through dialogue.”

He even speaks - contrary to the Faith in the ONE Church founded by Christ - of a “current status quo of the diversity of Churches and ecclesial communities.”

Leo XIV continues: “We must therefore leave behind theological controversies that have lost their raison d’être in order to develop a common understanding and, even more, a common prayer to the Holy Spirit, so that he may gather us all together in one faith and one love.”

The Silent Disappearance of the Filioque

The Apostolic Letter presents the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed as prayed by the schismatic Orthodox, omitting the Filioque: “I believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life, who proceeds from the Father, who with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, who has spoken through the prophets.”

The manipulative Footnote 10 says that “the statement ‘and proceeds from the Father and the Son (Filioque)’ is not found in the text of Constantinople; it was inserted into the Latin Creed by Pope Benedict VIII in 1014 and is a subject of Orthodox–Catholic dialogue.”

Necessary History Left out by the Footnote

Three synods of Toledo (400, 447, 589) approved the Creed stating that the Holy Spirit “proceeds from the Father and the Son.” It was ordered to be sung in the liturgy, becoming standard in the Mozarabic rite. From there it spread into Gallican liturgy. In 809, Charlemagne convened a synod in Aachen, Germany where theologians—especially Theodulf of Orléans—defended the Filioque as an integral part of the Christian faith.

Rome had the same doctrine but did not pray the Creed during Mass at all. In 1014, Emperor Henry II came to Rome to be crowned and was surprised that no Creed was sung at Mass there. Therefore, Pope Benedict VIII introduced the Nicene Creed with the Filioque into the Roman liturgy.

The theology behind the Filioque

The Filioque remains the necessary and fitting expression of the inner relationship of the Holy Trinity: the Son receives the entire divine essence from the Father, including the Father’s eternal spiration of the Holy Spirit.

Christ indicated this in John 16, stating that the Spirit “will take from what is Mine.”


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Theology
KEYWORDS: filioque; nicenecreed

1 posted on 11/23/2025 3:29:19 PM PST by ebb tide
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2 posted on 11/23/2025 3:30:16 PM PST by ebb tide (Francis' sin-nodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

If they can remove the filioque they can remove basically any teaching.


3 posted on 11/23/2025 3:47:40 PM PST by Bayard
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To: ebb tide

It’s been this way with the Orthodox since the 1960s. This is not a big deal.

There is ignorance on both sides here. In the West, there is ignorance among the common laity about the fact that filioque was added to the text of the Creed in the West. While in the East there is ignorance about what it means, and the fact that there were Greek bishops in the early Middle Ages who believed in the filioque. An Orthodox Freeper even challenged me on that last point until I posted the proof.


4 posted on 11/23/2025 4:40:51 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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Eastern Catholics do not include the filioque in the Creed, and neither do the Orthodox.


6 posted on 11/23/2025 5:19:21 PM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (God save the United States!)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
It's well-known that the Orthodox churches do not have the "filioque" addition to the creed. As for the Eastern rite Catholics, I don't know about the others, but the Ukrainian Catholic Church does have the "filioque."

From a bilingual Ukrainian/English missalette (with the Ukrainian text in the Latin alphabet):

I v Dukha sviataho, Hospoda, zhyvotvoriaschaho, izhe ot Ottsa i Syna iskhodiaschado

"and in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceeds from the Father and the Son"

7 posted on 11/24/2025 6:25:41 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
A typo in the Ukrainian text.

The last word should read iskhodiaschaho.

8 posted on 11/24/2025 6:27:08 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

I am Orthodox and sometimes attend a Byzantine Catholic Church and they don’t include the filioque. From that I thought this was the general practice among Eastern Catholics.


9 posted on 11/24/2025 6:30:59 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (God save the United States!)
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To: vladimir998
Are you aware of the following:

Greek Catholic Uniates in Hungary Removed the Filioque in September


10 posted on 11/24/2025 8:29:28 AM PST by ebb tide (Francis' sin-nodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

So does this mean that the filioque is going to be removed from Western rite liturgies?


11 posted on 11/24/2025 3:53:06 PM PST by Trump_Triumphant (“They recognized Him in the breaking of the Bread”.)
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To: Trump_Triumphant

Who knows?

Anything goes in Bergoglio’s “Sin-Nodal church”.


12 posted on 11/24/2025 5:00:58 PM PST by ebb tide (Francis' sin-nodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: ebb tide

No, I don’t recall seeing that but similar things have been going on for decades. Eastern Catholics should stick to the creed they always knew.


13 posted on 11/24/2025 10:32:29 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Trump_Triumphant

“So does this mean that the filioque is going to be removed from Western rite liturgies?”

Unlikely.


14 posted on 11/24/2025 10:33:59 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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