Posted on 10/15/2025 6:20:00 AM PDT by vespa300
Will God punish the wicked in fire for all eternity? Doesn’t eternal torture contradict His love and justice? What does the Bible really teach about the punishment for sin? Explore the powerful evidence in the New Testament that reveals a startlingly different picture of hell and hellfire than you’ve been led to believe!
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The presentation begins at about the 30 minute mark. He uses ONLY THE BIBLE. Adventists are Protestants.
This is a prophecy series that is being telecast worldwide each night from a Seventh day Adventist church near Ft. Worth Texas. It begins each night at 7:30 pm Texas time. This series started last Friday, Sabbath evening and will run for 2 weeks with a different subject each night.
If you don’t know Doug Bachelor’s story...it is simply amazing. His dad owned an airline, his mom worked in Hollywood, including with Elvis. They were rich growing up..So Doug got into drugs, stealing, crime, a rebel. Ended up living naked in a cave above Palm Springs.......then.he found a Bible.
His story is called “The Richest Caveman.” It’s simply amazing....
A heresy
https://www.catholic.com/encyclopedia/apocatastasis
____So, this one guy has got it figured out, and is correcting the “errors that virtually all churches teach.”___
Yeah, I don’t determine truth by popular opinion. I use the Bible alone. Thanks.
Some people are truly evil. They can’t go to heaven because they would ruin it for everyone else. We can call it hell, or the void, or whatever, but those souls can’t be in heaven, or else it wouldn’t be heaven.
___”Apocatastasis (Gr., apokatastasis; Lat., restitutio in pristinum statum, restoration to the original condition), a name given in the history of theology to the doctrine which teaches that a time will come when all free creatures shall share in the grace of salvation; in a special way, the devils and lost souls.”
A heresy___
Agree. Most are are lost. They will be as if they never were. Dead. Dead forever. Not alive in an oven cooking alive. Dead means dead.
All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. There are no big sins and little sins but one. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
hahaha.....or Texas in summer. We are 10 degrees above normal , 90 in October. It’s testing my Christianity!
The Bible says all are “punished ACCORDING to their deeds” God is Just.
That’s why Jesus said some suffer many stripes.....some few. God is love....he is also Just. Even in the Old Testament there was varying degrees of punishment depending on the sin.
It’s better when we read the whole Bible.
it’s the catholics that are heretical.
Well Scripture seems pretty clear to me. Eventually ALL who did not know God are thrown into the Lake of Fire, Satan, his angel and even hell itself is all thrown in. I don’t see how anyone avoids the burning death in the Lake of Fire.
That is what Scripture says, so yes please do go back and read the bible.
Mark 9:47-48 If your eye causes you to stumble, throw it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye, than, having two eyes, to be cast into hell, where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.
Revelation 20:13-15
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Matthew 25:41
Verse Concepts
“Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
I wouldn’t put too much emphasis on what ANY church teaches as many (sad to say) have no real idea what the Word of God says. Many of them believe the day of miracles is passed, as an example. That’s completely untrue, yet they teach it. I believe they do that to let themselves off the hook. They also teach that healing is at the whim of God. That too is untrue. READ THE WORD and you’ll know what it says.
Most springs from the fact that the seminaries are heretical
Hell is a real place and, just like the bible says, it is
“Eternal”, meaning forever. Of all the horrible things of hell, Eternal is the worst, no way out, forever! Helen Whites prophecy of hell not being eternal is false!
Doug Bachelor does not understand God’s Love.
Yes, God’s Love is unconditional.
However, for the same reason that a prayerful blessing for an evil person is like placing hot coals upon their head, anyone that holds onto sin and tries to be near God will be burned by His Refining Fire.
Hell is what a soul experiences when it chooses to hold onto sin. They fear God’s Love and Light as they believe it will destroy them.
I have done many exorcisms over the years and find that the dark or demonic soul is afraid of God’s Love and Light. That is the power or energy that causes them to flee, not me or my words. They scream and howl in fear as the Love and Light gets near them.
This is very real. I was once in a meeting in a conference room with about 30 people. A woman came in and sat down at the opposite end of the table from me. I could feel her anger and it was very uncomfortable.
I began saying a prayer for her, and almost immediately she began fanning herself with some paper in her hand. I kept praying and she became so hot that she got up and went outside to cool down.
This is why Jesus taught us to Love our enemies. The Love we radiate toward them keeps them away from us and protects us. If we become fearful or angry, we lower ourselves to their level and they win.
___“Eternal”, meaning forever. ___
Thank you for being an example of poor Bible Scholarship.
I give you the book of Jude......after you read it.....ask yourself.....Is Sodom still on fire today?
It’s best when we study the Bible..instead of Just read it. We aren’t so quick to speak of things we haven’t studied.
Quote Jude 7:
7 In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.
Agreed. In Mark 9:48 and Matthew 25:41, Jesus Himself uses phrases like “fire is not quenched” and “eternal fire”. Meaning, it never ends. I just looked up the Greek definitions in the Strong’s using biblestudytools.com to confirm. It’s just as it says in the English quotes.
You’re missing a very important fact.
Some people are evil, They cannot go to Heaven because they are incapable of repenting their sins against God.
Heaven is God’s home, and we’re invited(elected) by God to live there. God isn’t going to let any unrepentant souls into his home. Someone who is not repentant cannot be God’s and therefore cannot be his Person. Heaven, by God’s Grace alone, is the final destination for his People that He has chosen, who have obeyed His will. In Heaven we all will all be his people and he will be our God. This won’t have changed from our times on Earth, but all sin will be no more. It has absolutely nothing to do with “ruining it for everyone else.”
Good News About HELL...
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I see the Problem here.
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