Posted on 07/15/2025 7:37:20 PM PDT by Salman
[The issue is dealing with the Angel of the Lord and his role as both a messenger and a Theophany/Christophany]
Yes, I understood that clearly. Just commented on other things because people are hoping for “The Abraham Accords” to be successful - and they could well be....
Muslims and Christians don’t worship the same God.... This some new revelation for you?
It’s significant when an ex-Muslim comes to Christ after publicly going atheist for a while. Can’t you get this?
What you are asking me to do is to pen an article I haven't written yet. I'm tempted, but now is not the time. The key fact is that the treatment to which you ascribe is logically indefensible once the Hebrew roots are taken literally in a pastoralist context. Understanding what is involved in being a 'wild ass of a man' and why wild asses were hated is the key to understanding Hagar's joy as being out of a desire for revenge.
I've been here before and was proven correct. Suffice it to say that when I published this treatment of Exodus 23:11, Chabad.org changed their translation of it. They used to have it as, 'rest and lie fallow' but now it says 'release and abandon' as it should and the consequences are truly transformative once applied to Leviticus 25.
The God of Christianity commands us to love our enemies.
The god of Islam commands his followers to kill or enslave their enemies.
Obviously not the same.
I just want to know how you deal with all the other encounters with the Angel of the Lord.
I don’t buy into anything any muslim says. They’re scum.
Then you can stew because I don't have time for that now. The point is that this hermeneutic technique has yielded impressive results.
The children of Ishmael were to be a curse to the children of Israel. Why would a righteous angel of G_d thus curse a righteous Abraham, who would have sacrificed his son on the Lord's command, by rewarding a disobedient runaway slave girl who hated Sarah and had done NOHTING to earn what she found so rewarding? It is totally contrary to G_d's character. The symmetries are obvious but historic interpretation has obscured the hard nature of the story.
BTW, I also blew the "boiling a kid in its mother's milk" story out of the water too. That one is written up. Shepherds don't boil anything. They roast a kid in its mother's fat over a dung fire (the difference between "fat" and "milk" is a vowel). The Basque call a "confit." It would have been an abominal cruelty to kill the mother first, and the kid would have then been unsuitable for a sacrifice as damaged goods. Hence there is a specific command to sacrifice the kid first and wait a day for the mother to recover before taking her. There are many such inconsistencies in interpretation in the Torah because the priests who did that interpretation were urban intellectuals, not shepherds, but by no means have I dealt with them all, getting to them as they present themselves. Nor will I ever finish, as Genesis 4 alone took two years to untangle.
You'll just have to deal with it until I publish the results, if I live that long. I doubt you'll like them or be convinced.
You do not have the time for a one sentence answer, but you do have the time for that? The boiling a kid in its mother’s milk according to some has to deal with using an element of life (milk) as a means of death. Much the reason why we do not eat blood as it carries life.
I didn’t read in Genesis 26:12 that Jagar worshipped the Angel
Apostate prophet us teally very good. Calm and knowledgeable
That's in v13
Raised Episcopalian, going to Catholic school, and the Jewish Community Center after school. By the time I was in college, I called myself the "founder of the First Church of Pantheistic Agnosticism." Then I discovered the Satanist origins of the globalists behind their bought, paid for, and ecologically destructive environmental movement. I took my family back to Christianity, but was terribly suspicious of organized religion. Nevertheless, we joined a Messianic Jewish congregation. Once I discovered the truth behind Exodus 23:11 and wrote a book about the Sabbath for the Land that was quite favorably read by a number of Orthodox Jews and Christian researchers. Yet when the elders of our congregation were too afraid of it to read it, I left.
I have since continued to do research, looking for what the Torah originally meant to the people who wrote it, starting with the land sabbath and continuing where that led, starting with Genesis 4. It has been immensely rewarding, if also quite frustrating socially. Just to untangle stories that were OBVIOUSLY far from their original intent, to find deep, evocative, and empowering truths in those teachings that manifest in physical reality without temporal or spatial constraint on a huge scale after over 3,000 years is an incalculable blessing and a terrible responsibility.
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