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[Catholic Caucus] The New York Times: "Catholics Who Prefer Latin Mass Pin Hopes on a New Pope"
Rorate Caeli ^ | May 7, 2025 | Ruth Graham

Posted on 05/07/2025 9:09:59 AM PDT by ebb tide

[Catholic Caucus] The New York Times: "Catholics Who Prefer Latin Mass Pin Hopes on a New Pope"

Main excerpts below:

Catholics Who Prefer Latin Mass Pin Hopes on a New Pope 

Ruth Graham
The New York Times
May 7, 2025 (page A12)

About 140 people came to the Sweetest Heart of Mary church in Detroit for the Traditional Latin Mass at noon the Sunday after Easter. Incense and organ music wafted through the ornate sanctuary, built by Polish Catholics in the late 19th century. It was a beautiful sunny spring afternoon, and the lilacs by the rectory were in bloom.


In the pews, however, the mood was uncertain. It had been less than three weeks since the new archbishop of Detroit, Edward Weisenburger, told priests that he planned to drastically reduce the availability of the traditional Mass in the archdiocese starting this summer, following a 2021 edict from Pope Francis that cracked down on the rite worldwide. Backlash verging on panic followed in some quarters, with one critic calling it a “bloodbath.”

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The Traditional Latin Mass was once simply Mass, celebrated the same way by Catholics around the world for centuries until the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. The differences are subtle but important to those attuned to their meaning.

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Pope Francis referred to the old Mass as divisive, and some of his other comments stung traditionalists: his reference to large families who have children “like rabbits,” his comments to priests to stop wearing “grandma’s lace.”


The traditional Mass represents only a sliver of Catholic life. But it is growing in popularity in many dioceses across the country, and especially with young people, including young priests. The archdiocese of Detroit now has 28 parishes and chapels offering the traditional Mass, according to Alex Begin, who maintains a newsletter for local supporters. There are about 500 venues that offer it nationally, according to another unofficial list online.


That was the context in which Archbishop Weisenburger announced on April 8 in a large private meeting with Detroit priests that he planned to reduce the availability of the traditional Mass to four or five locations starting in July.

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In the pews at churches around the archdiocese on the Sunday after Easter, the mood was of wary waiting.


“People are very scared,” said Lauren Leyva, 33, the organist at St. Edward on the Lake, about an hour north of Detroit. She attends the traditional Mass with her family, including two young children.

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Father Acervo, like several other priests around the diocese who are poised to lose the traditional Mass in July, declined to speak to a reporter. In a letter to his congregation published in the parish bulletin, he made the stakes of the next conclave clear.


“This is a really pivotal time in the church’s history,” he wrote. “We need to pray for a holy pope. A saintly pope. Not a political pope. Rather, a pope who won’t compromise the faith in order to get along with the world. A pope who will teach the faith with clarity and not ambiguity.”


The point was clear to those who had ears to hear. Francis’ critics accused him of sowing confusion, issuing conflicting and even contradictory messages about matters like the church’s teaching on marriage.

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“It’s a personal assault to have this Mass taken away from me,” said Anna Graziosi, 79, the parish council president at Assumption Grotto on Detroit’s east side. Ms. Graziosi was in the pews at a traditional Mass at 7:30 a.m. last Monday morning with about 20 other people.


Ms. Graziosi’s family immigrated to Detroit from Italy when she was 5. She grew up with the Latin Mass, before the Second Vatican Council.


For her, the novus ordo, or new order, drained not just the sanctity of the rite but also her own attention to it. Following along in the prayer book, as the old Mass required, demanded prayerful focus.


The new Mass was designed in part to involve worshipers more, but Ms. Graziosi found her mind — and faith — wandering until she sought out the Latin Mass back at her childhood parish, Assumption Grotto.


She is praying for Pope Francis’ soul this week, as she prayed for him in life. “I hope for a merciful judgment,” she said.


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Worship
KEYWORDS: conclave; dictators; frankencardinal; weisenberger

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1 posted on 05/07/2025 9:09:59 AM PDT by ebb tide
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2 posted on 05/07/2025 9:10:51 AM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

I did not realize so many felt as I do about this.


3 posted on 05/07/2025 9:21:17 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: ebb tide

“Francis’ critics accused him of sowing confusion”

It seemed like to me he sowed hate.


4 posted on 05/07/2025 9:22:11 AM PDT by alternatives?
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To: ebb tide

Banning the Latin mass is an overt act of hostility to traditional, reverent Catholocism by the agnostic, homosexual hierarchy that has come to dominate the Catholic Church. These agnostic bishops are more comfortable with crazed Muslims that would murder them than the traditional Catholics who support them.


6 posted on 05/07/2025 9:23:46 AM PDT by allendale
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To: ebb tide

My Irish Catholic grandmother was furious when Vatican II posited the vulgate for Mass, eliminating Latin. She had no knowledge of Latin and didn’t understand anything being said.

Within six months of listening to the English Mass she was happier than ever, would never go back.


7 posted on 05/07/2025 9:38:35 AM PDT by budj (Combat vet, 2nd of 3 generations.)
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To: allendale

Abhp Vigano is the best Priest to become a Pope; without his leadership the Church will suffer.


8 posted on 05/07/2025 9:39:46 AM PDT by chopperk (airhiger)
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To: Beowulf9

I’m 70. I love the Latin Mass. I love to see the young families who attend. There are so many young people - especially young men - who attend. And there are many older folks like me who attend. My daughter-in-law is a convert. She said her faith has grown so much, especially since attending the Latin Mass.


9 posted on 05/07/2025 9:40:44 AM PDT by sneakers (It's not the democraTIC party! It's the demoCRAT party! )
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To: budj

I highly doubt the English Mass she saw in 1969 would be the same English Mass she would see today: eucharistic monsters, lay readers, altar chicks, communion in the paw and on the hoof, etc.


10 posted on 05/07/2025 9:45:35 AM PDT by ebb tide (The Synodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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To: budj

VC2 actually didn’t do that. They said it might be valuable to have some parts of the Mass in the vernacular in mission territories. Most of the Council Fathers were clear that at least the Words of Institution should remain in Latin.


11 posted on 05/07/2025 9:53:04 AM PDT by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Beowulf9

I think they will be disappointed. 80 percent of the cardinals are chosen by Francis. I think the next pope may even be more liberal than Francis. Shutter the thought.


12 posted on 05/07/2025 10:45:33 AM PDT by napscoordinator (DeSantis is a beast! Florida is the freest state in the country! )
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To: ebb tide
I definitely prefer the Latin Mass, and I'm not even Catholic.

I also prefer--and use--the 1928 Book of Common Prayer.

13 posted on 05/07/2025 10:54:15 AM PDT by Savage Beast (There's a Light over the Whole World. I just want everybody to be happy, healthy and well. --DJT)
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To: Campion
Pope Francis acted as if nothing before Vatican II still counted. Everything had to be Vatican II or later interpretations of it.

Ironically, his funeral Mass was in Latin, but presumably the Novus Ordo Mass. It is the one language which unifies the Roman rite.

14 posted on 05/07/2025 10:59:03 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: napscoordinator
Ironically, the good news is that the secular-pagan United States is likely to be the greatest hope for the growth of traditional Catholicism.

What’s even more ironic is that this is likely to be drive by the stark reality the American Catholic Church faces in the midst of its disgraceful homosexual abuse scandal. I have lived in three different dioceses in the last 25 years, and in all three places the bishop has allowed the Tridentine Mass Communities to thrive because the diocese is damn near bankrupt anyway.

15 posted on 05/07/2025 11:54:18 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("The gallows wait for martyrs whose papers are in order.")
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