Posted on 02/10/2025 11:51:15 AM PST by Morgana
During a recent sermon at The Potter’s House in Dallas, T.D. Jakes suggested that when God breathed life into Adam, He “breathed Eve into Adam,” and that ‘Adam was Eve’s momma’, implying a bizzare maternal role.
We’ve recently written about Jakes when he noted how he disgraced his wife with his twerking comments, joined Joel Osteen for a conference where tickets cost $1000.00 , and is known to frequently wear insanely expensive designer shoes, clothes and watches that cost more than many of his congregants make in a year. (See endnotes)
Jakes, who has continued to be platformed by those at the Christian Post and Charisma News, as well as most other evangelicals like Steven Furtick and Christine Caine, has gone on record saying he doesn’t believe that Jesus is the second person of the Trinity but rather is just a “manifestation” of God. In fact, even now, his church website reads, “There is one God, Creator of all things, infinitely perfect, and eternally existing in three manifestations: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.”
He preaches:
On the seventh day the sabbath Savior rested. On the seventh day the sabbath Savior, he the one who said ‘I am Lord of the sabbath’ the sabbath Savior, rested. But Adam failed while the Savior rested.
And so the sabbath Savior had to break his rest and become the ‘searching Savior.’ And the voice of the Lord walked through the cool of the garden and God said ‘Adam, where art thou?’
He didn’t ask where Eve was because Adam was Eve’s mama. Eve was born out of Adam so when he had breathed the breath of life he had breathed Eve into Adam.
“Male and female created them and called his name Adam.” And the searching Savior knew that if he found Adam he found Eve. So he didn’t say ‘Eve where are thou? Adam where art thou?’ The searching savior broke his rest to find his lost son. What a mighty God we serve.
All things Theology does a great breakdown of why this view is so problematic here: VIDEO ON LINK
Look in the dictionary under “buffoon” and you’ll find a picture of this idiot.
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“This is a form of the ancient heresy of ‘modalism’ (where God acts in different ‘modes’) which was already condemned as a heresy in the early days of Christianity.”
Yes. This is something traditional Catholics and Protestants agree on.
Seems like some of these preachers just spout off any strange idea that pops into their heads.
Is this a plain heretic or an anti God heretic or a faggot heretic? Could be X and Y and Z
Ok. Here’s the word rib in Hebrew -— צֵלָע. How does this relate to a double helix?
Trump just named Paula White as Senior Advisor to the newly created White House Faith Office. The proponent of prosperity theology has been a personal minister to Donald Trump since 2002. She has quite the Wikipedia page.
What shape is the double helix? “Curve”
I understand all of that. I think the issue (as I guessed in my initial post) is the actual meaning of “manifestation”.
If you believe the word means “appearance of” then I could see how you would believe what you believe.
If you believe the word means “incarnation of” then someone might have a different belief.
For example, one could say, “My child is the ‘manifestation’ of my love and my wife’s love united together.”
In that example the child would be an actual living thing that could die and experience pain and all of the other things you mentioned.
I researched modalism after reading the initial response to my question and it seems that the original belief in “manifestation” or modalism was that there was one God who could choose to become (manifest as) the Father or to become (manifest as) as the Holy Spirit or to become (manifest as) Christ....but was never two of those things at the same time. THIS belief I can 100% see to be heretical.
I’m not seeing how you can say “Christ was God come down to earth” and that is fine but saying “God manifested as Christ on earth” is heretical. That just seems like a semantic argument. I’m not interested in calling someone a heretic over semantics.
The “Adam was Eve’s mother” business.... that is a whole other ball wax.
After looking into this....I can completely understand why modalism is a heresy.
To be fair though, do you think Jakes would claim that the statement on his website is advocating “modalism”?
Can you steelman what you think HE would say is the difference between his statement and the belief of modalism?...And then explain why it is still wrong?
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