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Church of England bishops claim Christmas carols saying Jesus is ‘true Messiah’ are ‘problematic’
Christian Post ^ | 12/24/2024 | Anugrah Kumar

Posted on 12/24/2024 10:09:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind

Bishops within the Church of England have raised concerns that certain Christmas carols might be “problematic” because of their explicit references to Jesus as the “true Messiah.” The Birmingham Diocese recently communicated to its clergy the need to reassess the language used in hymns to create an “inclusive” environment during the festive season.

The Birmingham Diocese instructed clergy to “use language that won’t add further confusion or tension or take away anything from the good news of the Nativity,” The Mail on Sunday reported, citing the email.

The hymns under scrutiny include “Lo, He Comes With Clouds Descending,” a favorite of Queen Victoria, which has been criticized for declaring Jesus as the “true Messiah.”

Further, “O Come, O Come, Emmanuel” has been singled out for its phrase “captive Israel” in the first verse. The diocese’s correspondence suggested that such language could lead to misunderstandings, particularly in the context of ongoing tensions related to the Israel-Hamas conflict.

The decision was influenced by the geopolitical climate, the Rt. Rev. Michael Volland, bishop of Birmingham, told The Telegraph.

“Members of our team working closely with diverse communities in Birmingham invited churches to think about providing some context for people new to church who might be unsure why ‘Israel’ is being discussed and whether this has any relation to the current conflict,” Volland was quoted as saying.

He added that no hymns or liturgies have been formally altered, but rather, clergy are encouraged to offer contextual explanations to ensure the Christmas message remains clear and welcoming.

Critics within the church have voiced their opposition to the diocese’s approach.

The CofE has “really lost the plot,” wrote one vicar to the Mail, which did not name him. The vicar noted that even Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't mandate Russian Orthodox churches to “censor carols at Christmas.”

Canon Chris Sugden, a former member of the General Synod and executive secretary of the Anglican Mainstream group, also argued against the modifications. “Hymns should not be altered just because the Church conforms to every progressive cause,” he was quoted as saying. He asked whether attending a Jewish or Hindu festival would warrant altering the lyrics or liturgy to accommodate potential objections.

The Church of England has told vicars to edit Christmas carols for fear of causing offense. To whom? […] The people the church is offending are Christians. Again,” wrote Mail consultant editor and columnist Andrew Pierce in a post on X Sunday.

In defense of the diocese’s position, officials from the “presence and engagement team” stated that the hymns contain a “strong emphasis of supersessionism,” the doctrine that Christianity is the one true religion.

Last week, a children’s carol service was criticized for promoting Christianity in Prestwich, a town within the Metropolitan Borough of Bury in Greater Manchester, U.K., the Bury Times reported.

Children from St Mary’s CE Primary School sang carols, performed Christmas songs and danced at an outdoor event organized by Prestwich and North Western Housing Association at the Rectory Green complex near Prestwich village center. However, prior to the event, a complaint was lodged objecting to its religious nature. Following the complaint, Prestwich and North Western leaders sought the opinions of residents at Rectory Court.

In 2022, a similar debate emerged in the CofE when attempts were made to rewrite the 17th century carol “God Rest Ye Merry, Gentlemen” to be more inclusive of women and LGBT-identified individuals. That initiative also faced backlash from those who felt that altering historical hymns compromised their original intent and theological significance.


TOPICS: Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: anglicans; antichrist; apostates; birmingham; churchofengland; doubters; endtimes; england; fakebishops; heretics; jesus; lastdays; messiah; michaelvolland; midlands; spiritofantichrist; uk
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1 posted on 12/24/2024 10:09:25 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Have these clergymen ever read...the Bible?


2 posted on 12/24/2024 10:10:58 PM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: SeekAndFind

Satan’s pawns.


3 posted on 12/24/2024 10:12:03 PM PST by twister881
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To: Republican Wildcat

RE: Have these clergymen ever read...the Bible?

It’s probably not required to be a clergyman anymore, and if they have, they’re not required to believe it to remain clergymen.


4 posted on 12/24/2024 10:15:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
I thought it might be The Bee.

Wishful thinking.

5 posted on 12/24/2024 10:21:53 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: aposiopetic
Anglican Priest Forced To Resign After Revealing He Believes In God
6 posted on 12/24/2024 10:25:18 PM PST by Aquamarine (“Be excited about the future of our country. Be excited.” - Donald Trump)
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To: Aquamarine

Thanks!


7 posted on 12/24/2024 10:29:12 PM PST by aposiopetic
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To: SeekAndFind

I saw a nativity scene yesterday in a person’s yard in a black area of town with a black Mary and Joseph and a little black baby Jesus, just like on “Good Times.”


8 posted on 12/24/2024 11:00:17 PM PST by Strict9
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To: SeekAndFind
[Church of England bishops claim Christmas carols saying Jesus is ‘true Messiah’ are ‘problematic’]

HEY, GODLESS Church of England bishops.....:

JESUS CHRIST IS LORD

JESUS CHRIST IS
THE SON OF GOD

JESUS CHRIST IS THE
ONLY MESSIAH OF GOD

9 posted on 12/24/2024 11:12:45 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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[“Members of our team working closely with diverse communities in Birmingham invited churches to think about providing some context for people new to church who might be unsure why ‘Israel’ is being discussed and whether this has any relation to the current conflict,” Volland was quoted as saying.]

And by your doubts and your lack of Faith shall ye receive Satan's Antichrist as "messiah" - good luck - you're gonna need it





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10 posted on 12/24/2024 11:16:04 PM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

I hope Ukraine loses territory and Russia wins the war. Merry Christmas all.


11 posted on 12/24/2024 11:37:24 PM PST by nwrep
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To: Republican Wildcat

>> Have these clergymen ever read...the Bible?

It seems, not.


12 posted on 12/25/2024 12:04:47 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Wipe the stain of Islam off of the face of the earth!)
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To: SaveFerris

Yes, everything you said, plus:

“GOD raised Jesus from the dead”

(Romans 10:9)

FRegards, and abundant Blessings on this day we have chosen to celebrate the birth of Jesus the Christ!


13 posted on 12/25/2024 12:08:41 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Wipe the stain of Islam off of the face of the earth!)
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To: SeekAndFind

All because Henry VIII wanted license.


14 posted on 12/25/2024 12:11:03 AM PST by stanne (Because they were mesmerized by Obama, the man for whom this was named, whose name they left out of )
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To: SeekAndFind

What do you get when you cross a Jehovah’s Witness and an Anglican? Someone who knocks on your door for no apparent reason. (Modified from the original JW & Unitarian cross)


15 posted on 12/25/2024 12:13:41 AM PST by KarlInOhio (Now unburdened by the Biden/Harris administration that has been.)
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To: Republican Wildcat

Pinheads masquerading as Intellectuals. They probably used some neo-modern DEI version of the Bible with they/them pronouns used to reference Moses, Abraham, John, Joseph and Jesus.


16 posted on 12/25/2024 12:15:11 AM PST by Waverunner
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To: Nervous Tick

Amen brother!

I have met a few “seminary” graduates who believe next to nothing about the Bible.....it’s shocking


17 posted on 12/25/2024 12:18:50 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Nervous Tick

And if they did, they didn’t believe it

I have met several .... the Scriptures leave virtually no impression upon their soul ... it’s not the fault of the Scriptures of course ... it’s their unbelieving soul


18 posted on 12/25/2024 12:20:38 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Nervous Tick

Behold He Comes

Riding on the Clouds

He’s Shining like the Sun (Son)

As the Trumpet Calls

Out of Zion’s Hills Salvation Comes

Days Of Elijah :: Jimmy Swaggart Ministries

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIbVn67tjCA


19 posted on 12/25/2024 12:27:07 AM PST by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Day's of Lot; They id Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our colonial pastors warned us about the Church of England. 40 years before the American Revolution.


20 posted on 12/25/2024 1:08:10 AM PST by Salvavida (NS)
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