Posted on 10/21/2024 1:06:36 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
All Christians who study the Bible inevitably face the complexity of comprehending how the Old and New Testaments hold together. Interpreting the role of national Israel, and more generally the Israel-church relationship, is a test case of biblical theology, that is, how one synthesizes the Bible’s teaching about the people of God on the Bible’s own terms and in view of the overarching narrative and storyline of the whole Bible.
Serious Bible readers examine how the individual portions of the Bible fit within the whole and how biblical topics and themes develop across the biblical covenants from earlier to later divine installments of Scripture. Unsurprisingly, interpreters arrive at vastly different conclusions concerning national Israel.
Both can affirm that the state of Israel today is important as a geo-political entity, can rightly exist as a sovereign nation, and that her nationhood has occurred through the outworking of God’s general providence.
Some dispensationalists believe that Israel’s nationhood today has eschatological/ apocalyptic importance.
Which of these three perspectives best explains and accounts for Scripture’s unfolding drama of God’s redemptive covenantal purposes concerning Israel? How are we to understand Israel through the grand sweep of redemptive revelation in the Bible? Having recognized the diversity of evangelical views, I turn now to unpack the story of Israel through Scripture.
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John 8
This much is clear until one turns the page to the New Testament; we read about how Christ wept over the pending destruction of Jerusalem, because the people did not recognize His visitation.
A more accurate term is Genetic Israel. Other than that, thumbs up.
The destruction of Jerusalem but not the Jewish State.
Let me perhaps rephrase this:
Is the political Israel today, the political nation, the Israel that is the Hebrew people known as Israel in the Old Testament?
The political nation of Israel is a democracy made up of Jews (aprox. 75%, of which 65% are non-practicing Jews or atheists), and 25% are Arabs, Druze, Christians or other.
Does God today equate the political entity of today called Israel with the biblical Israel?
I doubt it.
But most “Christians” do equate them......
I would say that many, if not most of Evangelical Christians (because of the influence of fairly recent millennial Dispensationalism) might equate them, but they are a minority of Christians in the world who would not equate the two.
Anyone who does not have the Son, cannot be said to have the Father.
The destruction of Jerusalem but not the Jewish State.
The decisive end of the Old Covenant cultic order.
Should have added only about 26% of all Israeli citizens are practicing Jews.
If so, how can the political nation Israel be equated to the Hebrew people of Israel of the Bible?
My question was not “what do people think?”, but rather “what does God think?”
I only want to see things as He does.........man’s views are irrelevant except in a very temporal sense.......
| O O O | ——————— | GOD'S | DEALINGS | WITH | MAN | ——————— | O O O |
| DOCTRINE | MORALITY | RESPONSIBILITY | PROMISE | LAW – ISRAEL | LAW – ISRAEL | GRACE– | RIGHTEOUSNESS |
| THEOCRACY | KINGDOM | CHURCH | AND PEACE | ||||
| ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ————————— |
| 1. COVENANT SPHERE | ADAMIC | NOACHIC | ABRAHAMIC | MOSAIC | DAVIDIC | NEW | EVERLASTING |
| Gen. 1:28,29 | Gen. 9:1-17; | Gen. 12:1-3; | Ex. 19 – 30 | 2 Sam. 7:15-19; | Mt. 26:26-28; | Jer. 32:37-40 | |
| Gen. 2:15-17 | Gen. 6:18 | Gen. 15:1-16,18 | 2 Sam. 23:5 | Heb. 8:6-13; | Ezek. 16:60 | ||
| Heb. 10:5-10 | Heb. 13:20 | ||||||
| 2. SIN | Gen. 3:1-15 | Gen. 9:20-25 | Gen. 16:1-6 | Ex. 32:1-14 | 1 Kings 10:28 | 1 Cor. 15:34 | NO SIN PERMITTED |
| cf. Deut. 17:16 | Phil. 3:17-21 | ||||||
| 3. WICKEDNESS | Gen. 6:5,12,13 | Gen. 11:6 | Gen. 37:19-36 | Judges (entire) | 1 Kings 11:1-10 | Rom. 1:21-32 | NO WICKEDNESS |
| (Evil Imaginations) | Gen. 38:12-26 | 1 Samuel (entire) | |||||
| 4. TOTAL DEPRAVITY | Gen. 6:12 | Jos. 24:2,15 | Ex. 1:22 | 1 Sam. 8:6-7 | Jer. 11:7-10 | Jude 8-23 | NO DEPRAVITY |
| Isa. 1:4-20 | 2 Pet. 2:1-20 | ||||||
| 5. PRONOUNCEMENT | Gen. 6:13 | Gen 11:7 | Gen. 15:13-16 | Jer. 7:21-26 | Jer. 15:1-14 | Heb. 10:26-31 | Rev. 20:6 |
| Jer. 7:25-34 | Lk. 18:19 | ||||||
| Jer. 25:4-11 | |||||||
| 6. JUDGMENT | Flood | Babel | Bondage | Bondage | Captivity | Candlestick | Rev. 20:7-15 |
| 1656 yrs. AC | 1758 AC | to Egyptians | to Philistines | in Babylon | removed | ||
| Gen. 7:1-8:14 | Gen. 11:8,9 | to Rome | Rev. 2:5 | ||||
| esp. Gen. 7:11 | Rev. 3:16 | ||||||
| 7. NEXT COVENANT | NOAH | ABRAM | MOSES | DAVID | CHRIST | CHRIST AS KING | ETERNITY |
| Abram 2095 AC | Moses 2510 AC | David 3065 AC | |||||
| Lk. 1:26-33 | |||||||
| O O O | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | ——————— | O O O |
It’s still their homeland. God established that forever, even if He puts them in captivity for punishment. The message of the New Testament is about the gathering of all other nations to Christ and Israel.
The Juhda and Israel of the Bible were also rebellious. GOD made the Cpvenant, so it stands.
Don’t be so short. It’s also the holy land for what’s his name, the most influential man of all time!
Agree totally.
BUT question is, with whom did He make the Covenant?
The Hebrew people - not a secular state.
Began with a covenant with one man - Abraham. And that one extends to we Gentiles......who were “grafted in” in Paul’s words......
Nice chart.
Is Sammy Davis included?
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