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A Biblical and Theological Perspective of National Israel
Christ Over All ^ | 2024 | Brent Parker

Posted on 10/21/2024 1:06:36 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege

All Christians who study the Bible inevitably face the complexity of comprehending how the Old and New Testaments hold together. Interpreting the role of national Israel, and more generally the Israel-church relationship, is a test case of biblical theology, that is, how one synthesizes the Bible’s teaching about the people of God on the Bible’s own terms and in view of the overarching narrative and storyline of the whole Bible.

Serious Bible readers examine how the individual portions of the Bible fit within the whole and how biblical topics and themes develop across the biblical covenants from earlier to later divine installments of Scripture. Unsurprisingly, interpreters arrive at vastly different conclusions concerning national Israel.

Both can affirm that the state of Israel today is important as a geo-political entity, can rightly exist as a sovereign nation, and that her nationhood has occurred through the outworking of God’s general providence.

Some dispensationalists believe that Israel’s nationhood today has eschatological/ apocalyptic importance.

Which of these three perspectives best explains and accounts for Scripture’s unfolding drama of God’s redemptive covenantal purposes concerning Israel? How are we to understand Israel through the grand sweep of redemptive revelation in the Bible? Having recognized the diversity of evangelical views, I turn now to unpack the story of Israel through Scripture.

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TOPICS: Current Events; Religion & Politics; Theology
KEYWORDS: covenant; dispensationalism; israel; theology
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1 posted on 10/21/2024 1:06:36 PM PDT by CondoleezzaProtege
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
Anyone who reads the Bible knows that Israel is the homeland for the Jewish people. And God makes that
clear time and time again. He smites down those who would take Israel away from the Jewish people.

2 posted on 10/21/2024 1:13:31 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (O give thanks unto the Lord, for He is gracious, and His mercy endureth forever. — Psalm 106)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

John 8


3 posted on 10/21/2024 1:18:30 PM PDT by nitzy (We all thought that WW3 would be fought with WMDs. Instead it is being fought with NGOs.)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
Anyone who reads the Bible knows that Israel is the homeland for the Jewish people. And God makes that clear time and time again.

This much is clear until one turns the page to the New Testament; we read about how Christ wept over the pending destruction of Jerusalem, because the people did not recognize His visitation.

4 posted on 10/21/2024 1:24:38 PM PDT by Captain Walker ("It is infinitely better to have a few good Men, than many indifferent ones." - George Washington)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

A more accurate term is Genetic Israel. Other than that, thumbs up.


5 posted on 10/21/2024 1:31:04 PM PDT by lurk (u)
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To: Captain Walker

The destruction of Jerusalem but not the Jewish State.


6 posted on 10/21/2024 1:33:27 PM PDT by dis.kevin (Dry white toast)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Let me perhaps rephrase this:

Is the political Israel today, the political nation, the Israel that is the Hebrew people known as Israel in the Old Testament?

The political nation of Israel is a democracy made up of Jews (aprox. 75%, of which 65% are non-practicing Jews or atheists), and 25% are Arabs, Druze, Christians or other.

Does God today equate the political entity of today called Israel with the biblical Israel?

I doubt it.

But most “Christians” do equate them......


7 posted on 10/21/2024 1:55:35 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: Arlis
Does God today equate the political entity of today called Israel with the biblical Israel? I doubt it. But most “Christians” do equate them......

I would say that many, if not most of Evangelical Christians (because of the influence of fairly recent millennial Dispensationalism) might equate them, but they are a minority of Christians in the world who would not equate the two.

8 posted on 10/21/2024 2:02:44 PM PDT by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia!)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Anyone who does not have the Son, cannot be said to have the Father.


9 posted on 10/21/2024 2:03:50 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: dis.kevin
The destruction of Jerusalem but not the Jewish State.

The decisive end of the Old Covenant cultic order.

10 posted on 10/21/2024 2:05:10 PM PDT by Lee N. Field ("And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise" Gal 3:29)
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To: Arlis

Should have added only about 26% of all Israeli citizens are practicing Jews.

If so, how can the political nation Israel be equated to the Hebrew people of Israel of the Bible?


11 posted on 10/21/2024 2:12:05 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: fidelis

My question was not “what do people think?”, but rather “what does God think?”

I only want to see things as He does.........man’s views are irrelevant except in a very temporal sense.......


12 posted on 10/21/2024 2:16:13 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: CondoleezzaProtege
O O O———————GOD'SDEALINGSWITHMAN———————O O O








DOCTRINEMORALITYRESPONSIBILITYPROMISELAW – ISRAELLAW – ISRAELGRACE– RIGHTEOUSNESS




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1. COVENANT SPHEREADAMICNOACHICABRAHAMICMOSAICDAVIDICNEWEVERLASTING









Gen. 1:28,29Gen. 9:1-17;Gen. 12:1-3;Ex. 19 – 302 Sam. 7:15-19;Mt. 26:26-28;Jer. 32:37-40

Gen. 2:15-17Gen. 6:18Gen. 15:1-16,18
2 Sam. 23:5Heb. 8:6-13;Ezek. 16:60






Heb. 10:5-10Heb. 13:20








2. SINGen. 3:1-15Gen. 9:20-25Gen. 16:1-6Ex. 32:1-141 Kings 10:281 Cor. 15:34NO SIN PERMITTED





cf. Deut. 17:16Phil. 3:17-21








3. WICKEDNESSGen. 6:5,12,13Gen. 11:6Gen. 37:19-36Judges (entire)1 Kings 11:1-10Rom. 1:21-32NO WICKEDNESS
(Evil Imaginations)

Gen. 38:12-261 Samuel (entire)










4. TOTAL DEPRAVITYGen. 6:12Jos. 24:2,15Ex. 1:221 Sam. 8:6-7Jer. 11:7-10Jude 8-23NO DEPRAVITY





Isa. 1:4-202 Pet. 2:1-20








5. PRONOUNCEMENTGen. 6:13Gen 11:7Gen. 15:13-16Jer. 7:21-26Jer. 15:1-14Heb. 10:26-31Rev. 20:6





Jer. 7:25-34Lk. 18:19





Jer. 25:4-11









6. JUDGMENTFloodBabelBondage BondageCaptivityCandlestickRev. 20:7-15

1656 yrs. AC1758 ACto Egyptiansto Philistinesin Babylonremoved

Gen. 7:1-8:14Gen. 11:8,9

to RomeRev. 2:5

esp. Gen. 7:11



Rev. 3:16








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13 posted on 10/21/2024 2:16:44 PM PDT by imardmd1 (To learn is to live; the joy of living: to teach. Fiat Lux!)
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To: Captain Walker

It’s still their homeland. God established that forever, even if He puts them in captivity for punishment. The message of the New Testament is about the gathering of all other nations to Christ and Israel.


14 posted on 10/21/2024 2:18:48 PM PDT by Olog-hai ("No Republican, no matter how liberal, is going to woo a Democratic vote." -- Ronald Reagan, 1960)
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To: Olog-hai
Maybe they are ignorant, but will their ignorance be an excuse for their behavior ? God forbid that they one day shall say "Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee? and clothed thee?"

It seems to me that some of them claim the Name but deny the covenant in Jeremiah 31 (not to mention the second greatest commandment in Leviticus):
  1. Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
  2. Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
  3. But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
  4. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
  5. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
  6. If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
  7. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith the LORD.


It's a beautiful thing when God puts love in one's heart for Israel. It is one way to distinguish the wheat from the tares among the nations.
15 posted on 10/21/2024 2:34:07 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 ( The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Arlis

The Juhda and Israel of the Bible were also rebellious. GOD made the Cpvenant, so it stands.


16 posted on 10/21/2024 2:35:59 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

Don’t be so short. It’s also the holy land for what’s his name, the most influential man of all time!


17 posted on 10/21/2024 2:37:17 PM PDT by himno hero (had'nff )
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To: cowboyusa

Agree totally.

BUT question is, with whom did He make the Covenant?

The Hebrew people - not a secular state.

Began with a covenant with one man - Abraham. And that one extends to we Gentiles......who were “grafted in” in Paul’s words......


18 posted on 10/21/2024 2:55:05 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: imardmd1

Nice chart.


19 posted on 10/21/2024 2:56:01 PM PDT by Arlis
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To: Governor Dinwiddie
Anyone who reads the Bible knows that Israel is the homeland for the Jewish people.

Is Sammy Davis included?

20 posted on 10/21/2024 3:09:44 PM PDT by mac_truck (aide toi et dieu t'aidera)
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