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To: Jonty30
Jonty30 If you cannot rely on the Bible, then there is nothing at all to rely upon.

That is incorrect - Jesus didn't leave us a collection of Books, He left us a community, a Church

We must rely on what the Apostles taught us



2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold to the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word or our epistle.

1 Corinthians 11:2 I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I have delivered them to you.
In Peter's sermon in the upper room (Acts 2) and in other recorded sermons, St. Peter gives an authoritative New Covenant interpretation of salvation history, interpreting the Old Testament messianically and “Christianly.” It was binding and equally authoritative and inspired before it became “inscripturated” because it was from an apostle. Throughout the book of Acts we see Peter and Paul exercising apostolic authority and preaching—not merely handing out Bibles or mouthing (Old Testament) Scripture.

Having said that, those men you listed crafted their Bibles to match their philosophies and not the other way around. The didn’t let the Bible explain itself.

And each of the Mormons, Jehovah's witnesses, pre-tribulation rapture dispensationalists, Christian scientists, Oneness Pentecostals, etc. etc. all did the same -- the Bible has a sacred interpretation that Jesus taught to His disciples and which they passed down in the Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental/Assyrian Church

Acts 8

Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch
26 Now an angel of the Lord said to Philip, “Rise and go toward the south[a] to the road that goes down from Jerusalem to Gaza.” This is a desert place. 27 And he rose and went. And there was an Ethiopian, a eunuch, a court official of Candace, queen of the Ethiopians, who was in charge of all her treasure. He had come to Jerusalem to worship 28 and was returning, seated in his chariot, and he was reading the prophet Isaiah. 29 And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and join this chariot.” 30 So Philip ran to him and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”

31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?”


71 posted on 06/19/2024 5:33:03 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos; Jonty30
“Do you understand what you are reading?” 31 And he said, “How can I, unless someone guides me?”

Among certain other ideas, that SS excludes the teaching office of the church is absurd.

Meanwhile, since the Interpreter itself is subject to interpretation, one poster wryly commented,

The last time the church imposed its judgment in an authoritative manner on "areas of legitimate disagreement," the conservative Catholics became the Sedevacantists and the Society of St. Pius X, the moderate Catholics became the conservatives, the liberal Catholics became the moderates, and the folks who were excommunicated, silenced, refused Catholic burial, etc. became the liberals. The event that brought this shift was Vatican II; conservatives then couldn't handle having to actually obey the church on matters they were uncomfortable with, so they left. ” - Nathan, https://christopherblosser.wordpress.com/2005/05/16/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of-catholic-teaching (original http://www.ratzingerfanclub.com/blog/2005/05/fr-michael-orsi-on-different-levels-of.html)

79 posted on 06/19/2024 6:35:42 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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