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[ealgeone]

The non-Christian accusers have their own version. It goes something like: “Christians who believe like that don’t care anything about making the world better. You even hope for things to get worse and worse. You wish for earthquakes, famines, pestilence, war in the Middle East, and for Armageddon to hurry up and get here so you will go to your pie in the sky, and watch the rest of us get ours.”

My counter to this is we've tried to make the world better. However, the message is being rejected. It's clear the message is being rejected.

They have made it clear they do not want to hear the message or follow the message.

[ShadowAce]

One of the most false and cutting accusations launched at the belief that the Bible teaches a person cannot lose his or her salvation when truly born again (John 3:3) is: “If you believe once saved, always saved, you are saying people can live any way they want without fear of punishment.” Or so the line of condemning criticism goes.

I agree that this criticism is false. A truly born-again Christian will want to please God and live according to His word.

However, Scripture DOES teach that born-again Christians can fall away:

Hebrews 6:4-6:

For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Verses 4-5 describe exactly truly born-again Christians.

Verse 6 lays out the fact that they cannot return.

So--there is a legit criticism of OSAS, but most people do not hear it.

[cuz1961]

live any way they want without fear of punishment.”
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we cant lose salvation

God is not an abortionist,

Moloch is the abortionist.

and no one can snatch us from Gods hand....

Jhn 10:28 - “And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. .

...not even ourselves.

we CAN lose rewards though

2Co 5:10 - For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad.

so the carnal Christian doesnt get off
scott free

but loses rewards, but not salvation.

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prophecy’s sole purpose is evangelism

Jhn 13:19 - “Now I tell you before it comes, that when it does come to pass, you may believe that I am He.

...
so why would prophecy end with Jesus and the disciples
as preterists maintain ?

no, these arguments against salvation and prophecy
are rooted in the kind of ear chopping pride
that peter exhibited and was rebuked for

Jhn 18:10 - Then Simon Peter, having a sword, drew it and struck the high priest’s servant, and cut off his right ear. The servant’s name was
Malchus
.

Jhn 18:11 - So Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?”

its a sad thing , but stiff necks are not a new thing.

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and regarding this statement .... .

....if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

Verses 4-5 describe exactly truly
born-again
Christians. Verse 6 lays out the fact that they cannot return...

. it ignores 1 Corinthians 5:5,6

if a Christian cant be returned through repentance they are subjected to death

( but their soul is still saved )

1Co 5:4 - In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when you are gathered together, along with my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Co 5:5 - deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

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unfortunately , the stiff necks of the proud will not acknowledge these verses disprove their views.

why ?
pride is why