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To: Philsworld

We are not under the Mosaic law, but under a different law in the Church Age, “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus”(Rom.8:2;Gal.6:2) which is an internal Holy Spirit motivated law.

Sabbath keeping is never mentioned as part of this law.

i) “Ye are not under law, but under grace ...” Romans 6:14,15 and Galatians 5:18.

ii) “Ye are dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another (ie. to Christ).” Romans 7:1-4.

Note: As a woman is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives, yet if the husband is dead, she is FREE FROM that LAW (v.2,3). So, Christians are become DEAD TO THE LAW, by the body of Christ, and we are MARRIED TO ANOTHER (Jesus Christ).

The Law is likened to the dead husband. This means that Christians’ relationship to the Law has been severed.

iii) “Now we are DELIVERED FROM THE LAW, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in NEWNESS OF SPIRIT, and not in the oldness of the letter.” Romans 7:6.

We are delivered from the Mosaic Law and now serve in the newness of the Law of the spirit.

15 times we are told that the Mosaic Law is finished for believers: Romans 6:14,15 “ye are not under law.”

Romans 7:1-4 “dead to the law .. married to another.” (Law is like a dead husband). Romans 7:6 “we are delivered from law.”

Romans 8:2 “the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.”

Romans 10:4 “Christ is the end of the law ... to every one that believeth.”

II Corinthians 3:7,9,11. “written and engraven in stones…………….was to be done away.”

Galatians 3:23 “we were kept under the law, shut up” (like in prison).

Galatians 3:24,25 “after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (law).

Galatians 5:18 “ye are not under the law.”

Ephesians 2:15 “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances;”

Colossians 2:14 “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us,took it out of the way”

Hebrews 9:1-4,10 “The first covenant had ordinances of divine service, the tables of the covenant;”

Hebrews 7:12 “priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law”

Hebrews 7:18 “there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before ..” Hebrews 10:9 “He taketh away the first (Mosaic law), that he may establish the

second.” (new covenant)


66 posted on 06/07/2024 6:42:47 AM PDT by Cronos (I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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To: Cronos

——>The SDA Church has never successfully refuted these historical facts.

I follow the bible (facts), not your facts, which is tradition.

10 commandments spoken and written by God (preincarnate Jesus Christ)

A statement by God (Jesus Christ) CLEARLY saying that nothing changes from the law “till heaven and earth pass…till all be fulfilled”. That would certainly include God’s 10 commandment law. (Christ even gave examples from the 10 commandments)

Matthew 5:17Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Only God could change a commandment that He spoke and wrote, and kept. That would have to have been clearly stated in the bible BEFORE his death, BEFORE His blood sealed the New Covenant, as Paul states in Hebrews and Galatians.

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/covenant-seal.htm

The Last Will and Testament of Jesus Christ

When did the New Covenant go into effect and who is the mediator?

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?
Heb 9:15 And for this cause he [Jesus] is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of [His] death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Heb 9:16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.
Heb 9:17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

The New Covenant came into effect with the sacrifice, shedding of blood, and death of the Lamb of God, Jesus Christ. As this Testament of Jesus Christ was put into effect by His death, the terms of the Testament cannot be changed by anyone after that.

Gal 3:15 Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man’s covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

A covenant, testament or will cannot be changed by anyone once the testator has died. Paul in Hebrews 9 is saying that the New Covenant is the last will and testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and as such it is not subject to alteration or annulment of its terms Gal 3:15. The terms of the New Covenant, in effect from the moment of the death of Jesus, and not subject to change by anyone, are the Ten Commandments of God. The Ark of the Covenant / Ark of the Testimony contained the substance or terms of both covenants, the Ten Commandments. It is impossible that the Sabbath commandment could be changed, that Sunday could replace the Sabbath in the New Covenant, after the death of Jesus on the cross! To attempt to change the terms of a last will or testament after the death of the testator is illegal and fraudulent in any court of law.


69 posted on 06/07/2024 3:54:49 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Cronos; All
Your CATHOLIC church absolutely affirms that there is no biblical command from Christ changing the 4th commandment in any way (changing, removing, or transferring). Therefore, All of the 10 commandments stand as per originally written/spoken until changed by the only person who has the AUTHORITY to do so, that being God. The Catholic church has no AUTHORITY to change times and laws, even though they think they can. Daniel had something to say about that.

Archbishop of Reggio's Sermon to the Council of Trent on the Power of the Church: By Our Authority The Sabbath Was Changed To Sunday!

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/bssb-1443-1444.htm

1444. Sabbath, Change of—Cited in Council of Trent as Proof that Tradition Is Above Scripture

Source: Heinrich Julius Holtzmann, Kanon und Tradition ("Canon and Tradition") (Ludwigsburg: Druck and Verlag von Ferd. Riehm, 1859), p. 263. German.

The Council [of Trent] agreed fully with Ambrosius Pelargus, that under no condition should the Protestants be allowed to triumph by saying that the council had condemned the doctrine of the ancient church. But this practice caused untold difficulty without being able to guarantee certainty. For this business, indeed, ‘well-nigh divine prudence’ was requisite—which the Spanish ambassador acknowledged as belonging to the council on the sixteenth of March, 1562. Indeed, thus far they had not been able to orient themselves to the interchanging, crisscrossing, labyrinthine, twisting passages of an older and newer concept of tradition. But even in this they were to succeed. Finally, at the last opening [see editors’ note] on the eighteenth of January, 1562, all hesitation was set aside: [Gaspar de Fosso] the Archbishop of Reggio made a speech [see No. 1443] in which he openly declared that tradition stood above Scripture. The authority of the church could therefore not be bound to the authority of the Scriptures, because the church had changed circumcision into baptism, Sabbath into Sunday, not by the command of Christ, but by its own authority. With this, to be sure, the last illusion was destroyed, and it was declared that tradition does not signify antiquity, but continual inspiration.

[Editors’ note: This "last opening" of the Council of Trent was not the last day, but the opening of the 17th session, the first meeting of the last series of sessions that was opened, after a lapse of time, under a new pope. The council was in session for longer or shorter periods over a series of years.]

Source for entries 1443, 1444: Neufeld, Don F., Seventh-day Adventist Bible Student’s Source Book, Don F. Neufeld and Julia Neuffer.—Washington, D.C., Review and Herald Publishing Association, 1962, pgs. 887-888.

72 posted on 06/07/2024 5:54:32 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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To: Cronos

https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf

The Adventists are the only body of Christians with the Bible as their teacher, who can find no warrant in its pages for the change of day from the seventh to the first. Hence their appellation, “Seventh-day Adventists”. Their cardinal principle consists in setting apart Saturday for the exclusive worship of God, in conformity with the positive command of God Himself, repeatedly reiterated in the sacred books of the Old and New Testaments, literally obeyed by the children of Israel for thousands of years to this day and endorsed by the teaching and practice of the Son of God whilst on earth.

Per contra, the Protestants of the world, the Adventists excepted, with the same Bible as their cherished and sole infallible teacher, by their practice, since their appearance in the sixteenth century, with the time honored practice of the Jewish people before their eyes have rejected the day named for His worship by God and assumed in apparent contradiction of His command, a day for His worship never once referred to for that purpose, in the pages of that Sacred Volume.


73 posted on 06/07/2024 7:30:46 PM PDT by Philsworld (It's all short quips and funny memes, until you find that you've come up short in the judgment. )
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