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Even Buzz Lightyear knows this!
Posted on 05/03/2024 9:07:46 PM PDT by Philsworld
Once Saved Always Saved? Or, after the moment of grace, is a Christian then judged by his works and God's holy law? John MacArthur questions the salvation of Ravi Zacharias in the life he led AFTER he came to Christ.
https://youtu.be/L2tpwVrBEz0
Finest straw available at the farm store to build men from.
Scarcely?
Sure - but still saved; right?
A lot of folks confuse the two
——>OSAS——I don’t think that’s a given.
Most people on this site say it’s gospel. In fact, all one has to do is believe and you are as good as going to heaven.
The process of believing = scarcely being saved according to Peter? Nope.
I consider him to be a fallen soul, one who failed the test of "success," - akin to the West - of wealth of esteem as well as money, without any effective accountability, and according to Lee Strobel in defending revising his book, The Case for Faith, so as to discard his interview with Zacharias:
“The difference is Ravi never showed repentance. [My] book is for spiritual seekers and I don’t want his hypocrisy to be a stumbling block to them in considering the evidence for Christ.”More:
Responding to the Ravi Zacharias Sexual Abuse Revelations
Terrific post. I am continuously called a cultist for basically saying exactly what you just posted (among other things).
Those who think that God’s commandments/laws are only for the unsaved and that THEY have already been judged at the moment of grace, may very well find themselves lost forever.
They and some are on this site, and THEY know who THEY are. Do I really need to give you their names? Nope. It’s a matter of record on FR. Read those threads, and one in particular where I bring up Ravi for the first time (or don’t read it).
My Prompt:
The book I John speaks of how those believers who are truly filled with the Holy Spirit need not worry that their Salvation can be taken away. Do you know where this is specifically and what is your opinion/comment on it?
Claude Opus Response:
Yes, the book of 1 John does address the security of the believer's salvation and the idea that it cannot be taken away from those who are truly born of God and have the Holy Spirit. One of the key passages that speaks to this is found in 1 John 3:9:
"No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God."This verse suggests that those who are genuinely born of God and have His seed (the Holy Spirit) abiding in them will not continue in a life characterized by habitual sin. The presence of the Spirit within them acts as a restraining and transforming power.Another passage that speaks to the security of the believer's salvation is 1 John 2:19:
"They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us."This verse implies that those who abandon the faith and the fellowship of believers were never truly part of the body of Christ, to begin with. Those who are genuinely born of God and have the Spirit will persevere in their faith. Furthermore, 1 John 5:18 says:"We know that anyone born of God does not continue to sin; the One who was born of God keeps them safe, and the evil one cannot harm them."This passage emphasizes the protective power of God over those who are born of Him. It suggests that the One who was born of God (Jesus Christ) keeps believers safe, and the evil one (Satan) cannot ultimately harm or destroy their salvation.These passages, along with the overall theme of abiding in Christ and the assurance of eternal life in 1 John, support the idea that the salvation of true believers, who are filled with the Holy Spirit, is secure and cannot be taken away.
wink wink nudge nudge
——>But there are some who believe, and then reject Jesus. And they are in trouble!
Heartbreaking news to those who say that all one has to do is believe. However, it still doesn’t apply to the Matthew 7 folks. They believe, they claim the Lord, they do x, y, and z in His name. Yet, they will lose their salvation because of not doing the Father’s will, committing lawlessness. Many examples are given in the NT.
Lots of people claim the Lord, yet don’t believe. Look at the pastors and others who molest kids or have multiple affairs! You CANNOT truly turn away from sin and receive the Holy Spirit and go on rejoicing in sin. THE HOLY SPIRIT of God cannot be fooled. Many claim to be faith healers, etc - while living lives (and teaching theology) that rejects Jesus. They are phonies, not apostates.
I was saved at 13 and am now on Medicare. In that time, I’ve only known one apostate. But I’ve met many “Tares” - Matthew 13:24-30. There will probably be some near me in church today. And the Lord will sort it out, in His time.
The Apostle Peter had Judas along side and No Doubt That left a Real Mark.
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We’ve had the ‘Hippie Jesus’ from the ‘60s
That obviously had issues——
Perhaps He got Right with GOD.
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NOW it’s T.D. Jake’s and ‘The CHOSEN’-—
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Gentle as Doves and Wise as Serpents!
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We Must endeavor to Present Ourselves to
A Holy God in Spirit and TRUTH.
Abiding...
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Even Buzz Lightyear knows this!
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Perhaps Claude Opus should try reading Hebrews.
I directed it to I John. Do you have a problem with I John? Do you find it in error?
I find 1 John needs to be looked at without discarding the book of Hebrews. They are not in conflict, but the OSAS theology is because it takes a few verses out of context.
Question to Claude:Does the Book of Hebrews say anything that would contradict the idea of eternal Salvation for believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit?Claude's Answer:No, the Book of Hebrews does not say anything that would directly contradict the idea of eternal salvation for believers who are filled with the Holy Spirit. In fact, Hebrews emphasizes the eternal nature of Christ's sacrifice and the effectiveness of His work in securing salvation for believers.Here are a few key passages from Hebrews that support the concept of eternal security for believers:
Hebrews 7:25 - "Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them."
Hebrews 9:12 - "He did not enter by means of the blood of goats and calves; but he entered the Most Holy Place once for all by his own blood, thus obtaining eternal redemption."
Hebrews 10:14 - "For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." Hebrews 13:5 - "Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, 'Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you.'"
These verses emphasize the completeness and eternal nature of Christ's work in saving and securing believers. The author of Hebrews argues that Christ's sacrifice is sufficient to save completely and forever, in contrast to the repeated sacrifices of the Old Testament system.
However, Hebrews also contains warnings against apostasy and falling away from the faith (e.g., Hebrews 6:4-6; 10:26-31). These passages have led to some debate among theologians about the nature of eternal security and the possibility of a genuine believer losing their salvation. Most proponents of eternal security interpret these warnings as either hypothetical (i.e., what would happen if a believer could fall away) or as addressing those who profess faith but do not genuinely possess it. They maintain that true believers, who are filled with the Holy Spirit, cannot ultimately fall away from salvation.
In summary, while Hebrews contains some challenging passages, it does not directly contradict the idea of eternal security for Spirit-filled believers. Instead, it emphasizes the eternal nature of Christ's work and the assurance believers can have in their salvation.
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