Posted on 04/14/2024 10:35:06 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal
Joel Richardson is pretty strong on the topic of USA not being Babylon. Having said that, I’m not all in on his location of the final showdown...Michael Heiser, RIP, makes more sense to me regarding the battle is over Jerusalem. Glad none of this makes a difference in the end and we can all have a friendly believer debate over it. 😊
——>Futurism is on the table as long as there are prophecies left to be fulfilled.
When should a flat out lie (Futurism) ever be on the table at all, especially when it’s fabricated by the Antichrist power?
John Haller makes a joke about the 30 minutes of silence in Revelation 8 as a time for all of us who got it wrong to “auto-correct” our stances and turn in our homework before the final test 😉.
And let’s face it - all of us will get something wrong.
Both Joel R. & Michael H. are treasures - we may disagree with them on some things but we should all agree that Only Faith in Jesus Alone Saves. That is the heart of Christianity.
Can’t wait to see all of my brothers & sisters from millennia past & present at the Marriage Supper of the Lamb!
I’m guessing there’s at least 13 Billion of us.
Maranatha!
👍
I believe there are two generic Babylons described in Revelation as one in the same. They are economic and political.
Other than with Preterism virtually every eschatological take has some element of futurism.
I have been having the same thoughts. Also, I wonder if we’re not the nation spoken about in Jeremiah Chapters 50,51 and Isiah Chapter 18.
When I first came to Christ while on deployment, the book of Daniel and Revelations stood out the most. And when reading the Bible for the first time I took the reference to Babylon to be America as the description did seem to represent this nation. And now, witnessing what has transpired the last few years, our nation does seem to fit the description. Our nation is waxing worse by the day as if our hard-hearted leaders are asking for the wrath of GOD’s judgement.
——>Other than with Preterism virtually every eschatological take has some element of futurism.
Other than waiting for the FUTURE return of Christ, no.
Futurism takes events that have already happened, says they didn’t, and places them as waiting to happen just before the return of Christ. Futurism says no biblical prophecy has happened in over 2000 years. Yep, all just waiting for the last 7 years.
The correct interpretation for biblical prophecy is Historicism.
Historicism has plenty of prophetic events left to take place in the future.
But it’s not “FUTURISM”
If it believes in prophecies to be fulfilled in the future why wouldn’t it be?
Because the whole point behind FUTURISM is to deceive. None of it is true. It was designed to hide the true identity of the Antichrist power. Prophecy is not “Futurism”. Yes, there are yet prophetic things to happen, but they have absolutely nothing to do with “Futurism”. In the future is not “Futurism”. Bible prophecy follows the Historicist model.
https://www.whitehorsemedia.com/docs/romanism_and_the_reformation.pdf
First, note the fact that Rome’s reply to the Reformation in the 16th century included an answer to the prophetic teachings of the Reformers. Through the Jesuits Ribera and Bellarmine, Rome put forth her futurist interpretation of prophecy. Ribera was a Jesuit priest of Salamanca. In 1585 he published a commentary on the Apocalypse, denying the application of the prophecies concerning antichrist to the existing Church of Rome. He was followed by Cardinal Bellarmine, a nephew of Pope Marcellus II, who was born in Tuscany in 1542, and died in Rome in 1621. Bellarmine was not only a man of great learning, but “the most powerful controversialist in defense of Popery that the Roman Church ever produced.”
Clement VIII used these remarkable words on his nomination: “We choose him, because the Church of God does not possess his equal in learning.” Bellarmine, like Ribera, advocated the futurist interpretation of prophecy. He taught that antichrist would be one particular man, that he would be a Jew, that he would be preceded by the reappearance of the literal Enoch and Elias, that he would rebuild the Jewish temple at Jerusalem, compel circumcision, abolish the Christian sacraments, abolish every other form of religion, would manifestly and avowedly deny Christ, would assume to be Christ, and would be received by the Jews as their Messiah, would pretend to be God, would make a literal image speak, would feign himself dead and rise again, and would conquer the whole world ù Christian, Mohammedan, and heathen; and all this in the space of three and a half years. He insisted that the prophecies of Daniel, Paul and John, with reference to the antichrist, had no application whatever to the Papal power.
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