Posted on 03/19/2024 5:45:28 PM PDT by grumpa
Is this what you’re saying in your post when you say Jehovah, Jesus and the Holy Spirit are three separate entities??? (see below)
https://www.biblelightinfo.com/trinity.htm
“The Bible teaches that the Father, the Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are all deity, each distinct, yet each part of the Godhead, but there is only one God.”
It's not advised.
Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, but a wise man listens to advice.
Proverbs 21:2 All a man's ways seem right to him, but the LORD weighs the heart.
Proverbs 30:12 There is a generation of those who are pure in their own eyes and yet unwashed of their filth.
Supposin' has always gotten me in trouble.
Humans have enough problems following what GOD has clearly said, without imagining things that He MIGHT have said.
(Sorry Catholics...)
And yet, we STILL have this, written by Moses, also the author of the first 5 books of the Old Testament.
Genesis 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
My charge, My commandments, My statutes, My laws. Different than what he expected from Israel? Nope, because God doesn’t change.
What does it mean to walk with God?
Elsie, your argument sounds like “the Sabbath isn’t commanded in the New Testament, so lets chisel it out of the granite tablets preincarnate Christ wrote it on. Yep, no obligation to keep that commandment, or any for that matter. They were given to God’s chosen, Israel. What God expected from them is different than what He expects from us. His commandments are optional.”
OSAS/OJAJ folks just don’t want to own up to God’s law applying to them. They just stick their head in the sand and say they can’t figure it out for themselves. Too complicated. Not clear enough for them. Nope, God’s law doesn’t apply to them. Not now, not ever. God’s law is for the UNSAVED. LOL Elsie, can you believe someone would say that?
Was one of the commandments Abraham obeyed “Have no other God’s before Me?”
Noooooooooooo, we can’t be SUPPOSIN’ that.
How about any of the other ones given to Israel, who hadn’t known God for over 400 years while captive in Egypt?
Noooooooooooo, we can’t be SUPPOSIN’ that either.
Yep, good job Elsie.
Sorry, I wasn’t aware you were assigned the title of Universal Critic of all who have a different biblical education background than you. I shall report to the torture chamber first thing in the morning.
The point is that this doctrinal issue has led to some pretty big divisions in religious beliefs through imprecise opinions onWho God is. It was my hope that detailed clarification might help to improve your basis for knowing and helping others to escape from the bondage of false religions that -dismiss the Trinitarian principle.
Another participant, cowboyusa, answered your comment correctly (Post #10) and said the same thing that I did, but so tersely that there was no background to support his opinion to help change yours, or to modify the stance of a person believing in JW or Unitarian or Jewish doctrines.
Sorry that you felt hurt. You'll recover, given some meditation on this issue, and your faith will be stronger.
Sorry to post #87 that mentions you without sending it to you also
Ok
Nice try to veer away from the FACT that homosexuality is called a sin in the bible that contains laws you follow religiously, yet the SIN of homosexuality is NOT mentioned before it is called out as being such.
Keep on jabbering on what AIN’T there.
Thank you for your reply. I can assure you I was not the least bit hurt. It’s just that I prefer not to disparage, or look down on, those whose study had led them to a different understanding than my own. Reasoned conversation is much preferable. I will continue my study and encourage you to continue yours. All the best!
This text says otherwise:
Genesis 26:5Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
OSAS/OJAJ will still deny that God’s laws apply to them.
My commandments, My statutes, My laws....
What could Moses have meant? What was he supposin’? Hmmmm, he mentions similar language in other books, like Deuteronomy, where he spells it out.
Could it be the same?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we can’t be supposin’ that. The father of God’s chosen people following the same commandments, statutes, and laws that his seed was expected to?
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, we can’t be supposin’ that.
Why do cultists always leave out the context of the snippets they post thinking it proves their point? Let's look at that passage, shall we:
Nothing there about giving them eternal life or their everlasting salvation being dependent upon their keeping of His charge, commandments, statues and laws. They, as we are today, are saved by the grace of God through faith in what the Messiah has done in our place. For all the talk about your belief in grace, you continue to demonstrate you don't even know what the word means. This is a common trait amongst the perverted gospel cults.
And we are left GUESSING at what they were.
You Chosen People seem to have poor memories, so I'll have to write them in stone and give them to Moses.
--GOD
8 So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city.
9 That is why it was called Babel—because there the Lord confused the language of the whole world. From there the Lord scattered them over the face of the whole earth.
HIS ways are not our ways.
So Elsie, tell me how Joseph knew this was a great WICKEDNESS and SIN against God, if the 10 commandments/statutes/law would not be presented to the children of Israel for another 400 years???
Joseph knew it, and so did Abraham.
God destroyed the world with the flood because of continual WICKEDNESS and EVIL. Enoch walked with God. Can we be SUPPOSIN' to know that that means, Elsie?
——>Nothing there about giving them eternal life or their everlasting salvation being dependent upon their keeping of His charge, commandments, statues and laws.
Why would there be? No one is saved by keeping the law. OSAS/OJAJ falsely believe they are saved at the microsecond of Grace and that NOTHING they do after, no continual, willful sins, great or small, will ever keep them out of heaven. Once they are saved, THAT’S IT. Absolutely NOTHING or no one, even GOD, can keep them out of heaven.
Tragically, they are wrong. Because all will be JUDGED by the law. That includes those saved by grace, and those who never accepted Christ at all. And, judgment starts at the house of God. Claiming grace will not excuse the continual, willful sinner.
Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Sounds like there’s more to it than just a few less jewels in your crown or a mansion downgrade in the New Jerusalem, for willfully disobeying God when claiming to follow him. Eh?
Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Those who metaphorically stomp on Christ by willfully breaking God’s law, after what He did for us on the cross, will not be in heaven. OSAS/OJAJ is a lie. Christians have an even higher obligation to keep God’s law. It will be much worse for the “stompers” when they are judged.
Sorry, but YOU are the one who seems to possess this SECRET knowledge.
Perhaps you can SHOW us here on FR just WHERE Joseph alledgedly LEARNED these things.
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