Posted on 03/19/2024 5:45:28 PM PDT by grumpa
That seems to be the bible's teaching based on Hebrews 10:26 -
For if we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins... ASV
- but seems to go against the bible's teaching in other places...
Galatians 6:1 ESV
Brothers, if anyone is caught in any transgression, you who are spiritual should restore him in a spirit of gentleness. Keep watch on yourself, lest you too be tempted.
Remember the audience to which each book was addressed.
(Did GOD really say...?)
You seem to know just what the OSAS/OJAJ crowd 'believes', but manage to LEAVE OUT the biggy that they DO believe...
THIS, my FRiend, will keep a person out of Heaven.
Hebrews 3:12 King James Bible
Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
Sorry, but YOU are the one who seems to possess this SECRET knowledge.
Perhaps you can SHOW us here on FR just WHERE Joseph alledgedly LEARNED these things.
What secret? And, there was nothing alleged about it. Joseph straight up knew that adultery was WICKED and a SIN AGAINST GOD. There’s only one way he would have known that.
My commandments, My statutes, My laws....
Microsecond of Grace OSAS/OJAJ will still deny that God’s laws apply to them.
Revelation 14:12Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
——>Remember the audience to which each book was addressed.
Both audiences were Christian converts. The message in Hebrews 10:26-31 applies to ALL Christians.
(Microsecond of Grace OSAS/OJAJ will still deny that God’s laws apply to them, because they’re from a different audience.)
UNBELIEF!!
THIS, my FRiend, will keep a person out of Heaven.
So will this (FRiend):
Hebrews 10:
26For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. 28He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: 29Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
——>You seem to know just what the OSAS/OJAJ crowd ‘believes
Sure, after years of debate.
Took you that long to squeeze the facts outta them?
I’ve had dealings with Elsie before. Just tell her before writing, there was oral tradition. Godly people knew what to do because they were told what and how to do things.
Ah, no. Job was the first book, although Moses wrote of the history of Creation in Genesis as directed by God. There were also other writings earlier than that of Moses which are referred to in our Bible canonical writings, but now non-existent, not preserved by God as Holy Scripture for us.
However, one of Job's acquaintances, Eliphaz, was a son of Esau, and the father of Teman, which puts Job's writing of his own experiences about three or four centuries before Moses' writings.
Just a minor point of correction to your narrative, philsworld.
(Sorry, this is an earlier observation, but remaining unsent until this moment, I believe.)
This is another "no," philsworld. Apparently you just can't be convinced that God/Jesus does all the saving, not that to be saved, a human born under God's condemnation must first be judicially pronounced "Not Guilty>" a pardon issued by the Mighty All-Poerful Judge based on the created human's total confidence alone that Jesus' propitiation in His Blood for all of one's sins completely satisfied all of God's righteous demands against that person, with nothing more to be paid, ever.
How can a Spirit-born human that hears the Spirit's voice through the Holy Scriptures be fully confident that the imputed Righteousness of His Son has been permanently conferred upon him or her?
Simply relying on God's Written Word affirms that covenant unarguably. From the canonical book that fully establishes the OSAS position:
Romans 6:3-4,14,21-22 (AV):If this gracious gift of standing deep in the Righteousness of His Son Jesus, which covers ALL of God's Blood-redeemed Spirit-born human progeny, whether or not their subsequent actions please Him, whether or not He cahstens or rewards, their positionis that they possess everlasting life, never to be rescinded.
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. . . .
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. . . .
21What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.
Now, if it were interrupted in any way, or withdrawn, it would not be everlasting, would it, philsworld? And God would be a lying con-artist, like Satan.
To NOT believe in this would NOT be fully persuaded that God fulfills every promise He has made, eh? and without that entire, unreserved, uncompromising, ever-abiding persuasion, God The Father cannot and will not undertake the gracious gift of your salvation, will He? This is all apart from the law matters, for neither you nor I relying on the performance of the "old man" can ever satisfy the Father.
And that is, philsworld, if you haven't experienced OSAS living, you not only haven't it, nor have you the spiritual faculty to even discuss it, or so the scripture says through Paul in 1 Cor 2:11-15.
With the mind-set you have shown, you have not humility enough to know that you cannot ever earn salvation, but remain under the sentence of sin's terminal outcome.
Only a change of mind can save you, which is what the Greek term "repentance" means. Job. in the earliest book of the Bible, said it well, and was saved:
Job 42:1-7 (AV):Job turned unto God in utter, complete repentance, knowing that he had in himself no righteousness like that of God.
1Then Job answered the LORD, and said,
2I know that thou canst do every thing, and that no thought can be withholden from thee.
32Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.
4Hear, I beseech thee, and I will speak: I will demand of thee, and declare thou unto me.
5I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
6Wherefore I abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes.
7And it was so, that after the LORD had spoken these words unto Job, the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, My wrath is kindled against thee, and against thy two friends: for ye have not spoken of me the thing that is right, as my servant Job hath.
You speak and counsel like Eliphaz, philsworld, who urged that Job could be righteous enough to please.
This is a warning, that so far, you do have yet another chance as it did for me, but that opportunity can run out, never to be given again.
"But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness" (Rom 6:17-18 AV).Reading further, all these have everlasting eternal life, and communion with God through the Spirit which infuses into the born-anew saint, and suffuses through God and all His children. Can they lead a sinful lifestyle?
"Whosoeversingular a humanThe answer is "no," that cannot happen for the one begotten of God's Spirit.
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hisGod's seedsperma, regenerative saving Word of God
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in himthe human:
and he the human cannot
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isstands bornperfect tense, completed action with ongoing consequences
ofek,from out of God.
(1 John 3:9).
Just like the seven churches in Asia that John wrote about in the end of the bible?
That has worked out well...
——>Can they lead a sinful lifestyle?
Ask Ravi. Oops, he’s dead.
Hey Elsie, when you open your bible and look at the first 5 books (the Torah), do you see the book of Job?
==================Thank you for your patience of my poor pre-post copy editing.Whosoeversingular a human
isstands bornperfect tense, done once and completed
of God doth not present tense, habitually as a way of lifecommit sin; for
hisGod's seedsperma, regenerative saving Word of God
remainethpresent tense, perpetually abides
in himthe human:
and hethe human cannot
present tense, constantly commit sin, because
hethe human
isstands bornperfect tense, completed action with ongoing consequences
ofek,from out of God.
(1 John 3:9).================
1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.This is a clear test of who is born of the Spirit and whose stance is questionable.
There are some through their ignorance who like to harp on Ravi Zacharias, hoping that will bolster one’s argument for legalism as a measure of spirituality.
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