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How Can You Canonize Without Bonafide Miracles?
Catholic Family News ^ | March 15, 2024 | Matthew Plese

Posted on 03/19/2024 1:22:32 PM PDT by ebb tide

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To: ebb tide
I do not remotely believe you to be "true believer", let alone a "saint". So there.

No worries ebb!

If it was only up to me I never would be. Because it is up to Him entirely, I am saved. :-)

61 posted on 03/19/2024 4:31:38 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Because it is up to Him entirely, I am saved.

That for God to decide, not you. And that won't be until your death and final judgement.

You are not the judge. God is.

62 posted on 03/19/2024 4:34:08 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide
That for God to decide, not you. And that won't be until your death and final judgement.

Already did.

Already sealed.

63 posted on 03/19/2024 4:47:17 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

You’re not dead yet.

You can’t rush God on your judgement.


64 posted on 03/19/2024 5:14:07 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide; ealgeone

—> you’re not dead yet.

Like humanity, I was born spiritually dead in sin, but physically alive.

And yet I died spiritually with Chris that physical death could no longer rule over me and I will live with Him forever.

It is truly an indescribable gift.


65 posted on 03/19/2024 5:27:56 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
The Last Four Things: Death, Judgement, Heaven and Hell.

Now's the time to amend one's life.

66 posted on 03/19/2024 5:32:12 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Sorry ebb, but you err not knowing the Scriptures, nor how to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

Everyone starts there.

Those who remain there die in their sins.


67 posted on 03/19/2024 6:21:52 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
"divide the Word of Truth"...

That's what Martin Luther did when he tossed books out of the Bible.

68 posted on 03/19/2024 6:33:22 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Luther did not toss books out.

It’s been explained to you previously.


69 posted on 03/19/2024 7:07:10 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Luther did not toss books out.

No, that lie has never been explained. No lie can ever be "explained". But liars will tell lies; and other liars will believe those lies.

Here's the truth:

Why Did Martin Luther Remove Inspired Books From the Bible?

70 posted on 03/19/2024 7:16:24 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Your memory is failing.


71 posted on 03/19/2024 7:23:21 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Your memory is failing.

Your faith is failing.

72 posted on 03/19/2024 7:25:04 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

It is all a hoax, so don’t worry about it.


73 posted on 03/19/2024 7:27:39 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam (Fraud vitiates everything." - SCOTUS)
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To: MayflowerMadam

Who’s worried?


74 posted on 03/19/2024 7:29:53 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Oh no. Not at all …


75 posted on 03/19/2024 7:34:21 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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“Martin Luther Did Not Remove Books From The Bible

“An obvious sign that someone has not read anything about Luther and the canon is the assertion, “Luther removed books from the Bible,” or “Luther removed books from the New Testament.” It is a simple historical fact that Luther’s translation of the Bible contained all of its books.

Luther began translating the New Testament in 1521, and released a finished version in 1522. He published sections of the Old Testament as he finished them. He finished the entire Bible by 1534. During these years, various incomplete editions were released. Some Protestants might be surprised to learn that Luther also translated the Apocrypha.

The editors of Luther’s Works explain, “In keeping with early Christian tradition, Luther also included the Apocrypha of the Old Testament. Sorting them out of the canonical books, he appended them at the end of the Old Testament with the caption, ‘These books are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.’”[9]

“Even after Luther finished his translation, he never ceased revising it. Phillip Schaff has pointed out, “He never ceased to amend his translation. Besides correcting errors, he improved the uncouth and confused orthography, fixed the inflections, purged the vocabulary of obscure and ignoble words, and made the whole more symmetrical and melodious. He prepared five original editions, or recensions, of his whole Bible, the last in 1545, a year before his death. This is the proper basis of all critical editions.”[10]Great care and work went into Luther’s Bible. This means that every book in the Bible was given great concern and attention. No book of the Bible was left un-translated.

As Catholic writer John Todd observed, “The work was done with great method…”[11] Todd then relates this famous description:

“Dr. M. Luther gathered his own Sanhedrin of the best persons available, which assembled weekly, several hours before supper in the doctor’s cloister, namely D. Johann Burgenhagen, D. Justus Jonas, D. Creuziger, M. Philippum, Mattheum Aurogallum; Magister Georg Roerer, the Korrektor was also present…M. Philipp brought the Greek text with him. D Creuziger a Chaldean Bible in addition to Hebrew. The professors had their rabbinical commentaries. D. Pommer also had the Latin text…The President submitted a text and permitted each to speak in turn and listened to what each had to say about the characteristics of the language or about the expositions of the doctors in earlier times.”[12]

“Thus, Luther’s Bible is not simply the result of Martin Luther: “Especially in his work on the Old Testament, Luther considered himself to be only one of a consortium of scholars at work on the project. He was convinced a translator should not work alone, for as he said, ‘the correct and appropriate words do not always occur to one person alone.’”[13] Rather than Luther expressing authoritarian power over the translation or removing books from the Bible by fiat, the facts of history show Luther involved other capable scholars. They worked throughout their lives to translate every book of the Bible, and even those books which “are not held equal to the Scriptures, but are useful and good to read.”

“Those who assert Luther took books out of the Bible sometimes wrongly use this sentiment interchangeably with “Luther removed books from the canon.” For an example of such confusion, see the claims of this Catholic apologist here. If indeed Luther took books out of the Bible, then one expects to open Luther’s Bible and find certain books missing. One does not. Catholic apologists that equivocate in such a way should either define their arguments more carefully, or account for the fact that Luther included all the books in his Bible.


76 posted on 03/19/2024 7:42:45 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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To: aMorePerfectUnion
Liars will be liars. And liars will believe their fellow liars.

"John Todd"? Are you serious.

77 posted on 03/19/2024 8:07:16 PM PDT by ebb tide
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In 1959, after several years as an editor at Longmans Green, Mr. Todd and two other members of the publishing concern left to found Darton, Longman & Todd, an ecumenical religious publishing house. As Catholic editor, Mr. Todd published Karl Rahner, Yves Congar and Henri de Lubac among European theologians as well as the Canadian Bernard Lonergan and the Indian Raymond Panikkar.

All modernist heretics.

You best check your sources, AMPU, before publishing such garbage.

78 posted on 03/19/2024 8:23:37 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

79 posted on 03/19/2024 8:40:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

Ebb, it remains that Luther’s translation of Scripture included the non-biblical books… as other lists by Origen, Jerome, Athanasius, and Cyril of Jerusalem denied their inspiration . Nothing new with Luther.

These were later removed from most Christian Bibles.


80 posted on 03/20/2024 4:45:13 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion
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