Genesis and the Pre-Tribulation Rapture

Rapture Ready ^ | 3/6/24 | Angel Torres

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[SubMareener]

The Revelation 12:1-2 Great Sign in the Heavens occurred on September 23-24, 2017. The X drawn on the United States began with the first stroke on August 21, 2017. The final stroke of the X will happen on April 8, 2024. There was an annular eclipse on October 14, 2023 that turned the X into an Alef. Time to start talking about a 7 year pretribulation Rapture, and buckle up for the persecution to come.

[Flaming Conservative]

Thank you for this article. I fear for those who mock the rapture.

[TribalPrincess2U]

PING!

[StrictConstructionist]

I don’t believe in the pre-tribulation rapture. That said, if there is one, I am all aboard. Many say Christians will not suffer God’s wrath, wrath and tribulations are different. Paul, John, Peter, and many, many Christians have suffered tribulations.

The saints that judge with Jesus during the 1000 year reign come out of the tribulation.

Revelation 20:4 NASBS
Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Jesus told us:
Matthew 24:21-22 NASBS
For then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever will. [22] Unless those days had been cut short, no life would have been saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short.

Jesus also said:
Matthew 24:9-10 NASBS
“Then they will deliver you to tribulation, and will kill you, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. [10] At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.

I am also aware of 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18, but many stop and don’t include 1 Thessalonians 5:1-6. 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 are the verses that many base their belief in the rapture. Reading 5:1-6 sheds some light on 4:13-18.

Here’s my position. If I expect to go through trials and even though the tribulation and there is a rapture and I don’t have to go through the tribulation, no harm.

On the other hand, if someone believes they will not have to go through the tribulation because they expect the rapture and find themselves in the middle of the tribulation, they may fall away. They may become those Jesus spoke of:
Matthew 24:10 NASBS
At that time many will fall away and will betray one another and hate one another.

I pray that all come to faith in Jesus and stay true to that faith that their names are not erased.

Revelation 3:5 NASBS
He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

We must remember, there are those that will fall by the wayside. The Bible says so. It even says:

Proverbs 16:4 NASBS
The LORD has made everything for its own purpose, Even the wicked for the day of evil.

[metmom]

As a result, Noah’s generation was blindsided by the onset of the Flood and the ensuing cataclysm.

I would beg to differ on this point.

IT took Noah 120 years to build the ark. He preached while doing it.

They were not unwarned. They CHOSE to ignore the warning.

[ducttape45]

I think Jesus’ point, however, is that people were doing their usual routine when the waters of judgment suddenly fell upon them. They were so caught up in their normal, day-to-day affairs that they were unaware of the times in which they were living. It’s likely that their hearts had been so hardened from years of unrepentant, rampant sin that they were completely ignorant of eternity and the things of God.

That's probably the most important statement to be taken from that article.

[metmom]

There is a difference between ordinary tribulation, the trials and troubles that come upon us in the course of everyday life, and the Great Tribulation, God's judgment on an unbelieving world.

Failure to distinguish the two or deliberately conflating the two, is what leads to erroneous teaching about God rescuing His people from the coming Judgment.

Christians have already had their sin dealt with. They do not come under judgment and God would not be just to pour out HIs wrath on them.

[metmom]

There is a difference between ordinary tribulation, the trials and troubles that come upon us in the course of everyday life, and the Great Tribulation, God's judgment on an unbelieving world.

Failure to distinguish the two or deliberately conflating the two, is what leads to erroneous teaching about God rescuing His people from the coming Judgment.

Christians have already had their sin dealt with. We do not come under judgment and God would not be just to pour out HIs wrath on us.

[fidelis]

Just FYI for those who are unfamiliar with the above Dispensationalist (earthly millennium, rapture-at-any-moment) interpretation of Scripture regarding the End Times presented here: the majority of Christians today (and who have ever lived, for that matter) do not ascribe to it. It was not developed until the early 19th century. It originated in England but is mostly held by many (not all) American evangelicals.

I'm not saying there is no truth in it or that nobody should consider it, only that it is important to know that this is not the only interpretation or position. As the majority of Christians in the world are either Catholic, Orthodox and other Eastern Churches who do not ascribe to modern Dispensationalism vastly outnumber the American influenced Evangelical Protestants and Protestant Fundamentalists that are the ones who primarily embrace modern Dispensationalism, it is important to point out that it doesn't represent the views of most Christians.

[ducttape45]

Ok, first, I gotta ask, what translation are you quoting from? The only thing I can online that is NASBS is the North American Skull Base Society. Please clarify.

Second, the Bible, King James Version, is so replete with references to the Rapture. There is a lot of typology in the Bible referring to the Rapture that to simply not see it, well, I'm amazed anyone can claim otherwise. And no, I won't list them all here because there are many FR postings with that information.

[ducttape45]

For those who are unfamiliar with the above Dispensationalist (earthly millennium, rapture-at-any-moment) interpretation of Scripture regarding the End Times presented here: the majority of Christians today (and who have ever lived, for that matter) do not ascribe to it. It was not developed until the early 19th century. It originated in England but is mostly held by many (not all) American evangelicals.

Here we go again. I won't get into a long drawn out debate or try and list references to back what I'm about to say because it's an argued ad nauseam here on FR, but teachings about the Rapture have been in existence for many hundreds of years and is NOT a recent teaching only brought up in the 19th century. This kind of talk only discourages the saints.

[EliRoom8]

Besides those being evil days, they are testimony to the Lord’s deliverance of the faithful before destruction:
>> Noah’ family before the Deluge
>> Lot’s family before Sodom and Gomorrah
Several others

[fidelis]

Here we go again. I won't get into a long drawn out debate or try and list references to back what I'm about to say because it's an argued ad nauseam here on FR, but teachings about the Rapture have been in existence for many hundreds of years and is NOT a recent teaching only brought up in the 19th century. This kind of talk only discourages the saints.

I'm not interested in a debate either. Just pointing out that not all Christians do not hold this interpretation of the Bible. If you are sure in your position, this should be no threat to you. And I am only pointing out the fact that, before the 1820's no Christians held anything like the Rapturist view as is widely held by modern Dispensationalists. Some (primarily before AD 1000 or so had millenarian views before it became obvious that Christ was not coming on an earthly timetable devised by men) and all believed in a rapture of living believers at the Second Coming at the end of time, but NONE believed in the cobbled together, novel view of the End Times as is usually articulated today.

[GBA]

Thanks for your post. I think you’re right. That’s how I read it, also.

I think we’ll be tested, because God tests us, and I think there will be suffering, since that’s one of God’s ways to purify us.

No matter when the “Rapture” occurs, there’s a much better chance each of us will meet Jesus long before then, so be ready.

My philosophy is: Life is fragile and any day could be our last day, so make friends with Jesus now, talk with Him and have Him in your thoughts constantly, listen via your heart and conscience and try like crazy to do whatever God tells you to do.

Do those things, since love is action, and all will be well for you in this world and the next, also, no matter what is happening “now”.

[dartuser]

I am only pointing out the fact that, before the 1820's no Christians held anything like the Rapturist view

And that ... is blatantly wrong.

https://pre-trib.org/articles/all-articles/message/prophecy-in-deuteronomy

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Absolutely!
And yes I fear for them too.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

I think the point the author was trying to make is that while they may have heard the warnings - they didn’t believe them.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

The “facts” that you have laid out in this post above are not true - and quite frankly nonsense.

It’s BS to attribute this to the 19th century.

Why do you guys have to lie about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture that The Lord, Peter, and the Apostle Paul all talked about in Scripture?

Some of you have no shame!