[Angelino97]

Yes, I bring it up because Protestants are always brow-beating Catholics for the Eucharist or Sacrament of Penance. “You don’t need that for salvation!” Then these Dispensationalists talk as if “But you need to support Israel.”

Although I don’t know why you bring up the pope. We Catholics keep telling you Prots, we don’t worship the pope or Mary.

[cowboyusa]

Do you belive Mary is sinless, and that she was born imaculate?

[aMorePerfectUnion]

—> Then these Dispensationalists talk as if “But you need to support Israel.”

I do not know of any dispensationalist who claims supporting Israel is necessary for salvation.

[Elsie]

We Catholics keep telling you Prots, we don’t worship the pope or Mary.

But your ACTIONS tend to say something much different.

[daniel1212]

. We Catholics keep telling you Prots, we don’t worship the pope or Mary.

Repeating it will not make it true. Catholic ascriptions of attributes, praise, adulation (worship) to Mary (More can be seen at this link (The up mark ^ points to the last referenced source.). The Catholic manner of "adulation" can constitute worship in Scripture (Words for worship in the NT (http://peacebyjesus.net/Words_used_for_worship.html), yet Catholics imagine that by playing word games then they can avoid crossing the invisible line between mere "veneration" and worship.

The practice of praying to departed saints and Mary was one that developed, helped by pagan influences, for Scripture provides no example of any believer praying to anyone in Heaven by the Lord, and reveals that doing otherwise was a practice of pagans, including to the “Queen of Heaven.” (Jer. 44:17-19, 25). The Catholic Encyclopedia speculates that a further reinforcement of Marian devotion,

"was derived from the cult of the angels, which, while pre-Christian in its origin, was heartily embraced by the faithful of the sub-Apostolic age. It seems to have been only as a sequel of some such development that men turned to implore the intercession of the Blessed Virgin. This at least is the common opinion among scholars, though it would perhaps be dangerous to speak too positively. Evidence regarding the popular practice of the early centuries is almost entirely lacking...,” (Catholic Encyclopedia > Devotion to the Blessed Virgin Mary)

Mary is not deified by Catholics but rather venerated.

Word games. Claiming Mary is not being worshiped because you do not use a certain word for it simply does not negate what is often too obvious. One would have a hard time in Bible times explaining kneeling before a statue and praising the entity it represented in the unseen world, beseeching such for Heavenly help, and making offerings to them, and giving glory and titles and ascribing supernatural attributes to such which are never given in Scripture to created beings (except to false gods), including having the uniquely Divine power glory to hear and respond to virtually infinite numbers of prayers individually addressed to them.

Moses, put down those rocks! I was only engaging in hyper dulia, not adoring her. Can't you tell the difference?

[daniel1212]

I bring it up because Protestants are always brow-beating Catholics for the Eucharist or Sacrament of Penance. “You don’t need that for salvation!”

Because while a few Catholics of simple pious penitent faith can be born again (since salvation requires more of the heart than the head - Ps. 34:18; Luke 23:39-43) as I was, yet distinctive Catholic teachings are not manifest in the only wholly God-inspired, substantive, authoritative record of what the NT church believed (which is Scripture, in particular Acts through Revelation, which best shows how the NT church understood the gospels)

Then these Dispensationalists talk as if “But you need to support Israel."

No, I do not see that being made a condition for salvation, but of soundly rightly dividing the word of Truth. And you as a RC are to believe that before the Lord's second coming the body of Christ - which where judgment must first begin (1 Peter 4:17; Ezekiel 9:3-6) - must pass through a final tribulation .[Cf. Lk 18:8; Mt 24:12] will unveil the "mystery of iniquity" of religious deception by the Antichrist, a pseudo-messianism by which man glorifies himself in place of God and of his Messiah come in the flesh. And of Lord's second coming being suspended until his recognition by "all Israel", - what is left of it - a reversal of the judicial curse, and which inclusion of the Jews salvation takes place after "the full number of the Gentiles" have entered into the body of Christ by faith in Him.

The redeemed are those who have been spiritually born of the Spirit (Jn. 3:2-7) by effectual, penitent, heart-purifying, regenerating faith in the Divine Son of God sent be the Father to be the Savior of the world, (1 Jn. 4:14) who saves sinners by His sinless shed blood, on His account. And which faith is imputed for righteousness, (Romans 4:5) and which is shown in baptism and following the Lord, (Acts 2:38-47; Jn. 10:27, 28) whom they shall go to be with or His return (Phil 1:23; 2Cor. 5:8 [“we”]; Heb, 12:22,23; 1Cor. 15:51ff'; 1Thess. 4:17) In contrast to those who were never born of the Spirit or who terminally fall away. (Gal. 5:1-4; Heb. 3:12; Heb. 10:25-39) Glory and thanks be to God.