To: Cronos
Current day Judaism is derived from Phariseeism and actually dates to AFTER 70 AD, so is a “niece” religion to Christianity and about 40 odd years YOUNGERI suppose you're too stubborn to see that this "Judaism comes from the Pharisees" line is identical to the "Catholicism/Orthodoxy was invented by Constantine" used by traditional Protestants.
Also, the Pharisees' dispute with the Tzadduqim was that the latter were "sola scriptura" while the former were defenders of holy tradition. I suppose you don't see the irony of that either?
Also, if there were no Pharisees before the year "70," then why are there so many Pharisees in the "new testament?"
To: Zionist Conspirator
It's not a question of stubbornness but about sheer historical facts -->
and you distorted what I said - I never said "Judaism is derived from" but specifically I said "Current day Judaism is derived from Phariseeism and actually dates to AFTER 70 AD, so is a “niece” religion to Christianity and about 40 odd years YOUNGER" -->
Rabbinical Judaism is not the predecessor religion to Christianity
Both "Christianity" and "Pharisee Judaism" are SISTER religions.
In fact what we call Judaism today is "Rabbinic Judaism" and is YOUNGER than Christianity.
So, the religion that you joined, ZC, isn't the predecessor of Christianity, but derived from a competing 2nd temple sect of 2nd temple Judaism i.e. the Pharisee sect of 2nd temple Judaism
104 posted on
03/15/2024 5:08:59 AM PDT by
Cronos
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To: Zionist Conspirator
As to
"Catholicism/Orthodoxy was invented by Constantine" --> that is historically false as well and one doesn't need to go down the religious line:
- The theology and dogma of the Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental Church whether the Trinity, the Divinity of Christ, the Theotokos, the True presence in the Eucharist etc. are all present and attested in the Church before Constantine's grandfather was born.
- Similarly the ecclesiology, the organizational structure etc. are all attested by both christian and non-christian sources well before Constantine was born
- Finally, Constantine didn't get baptized a Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental but an Arian - a non-Trinitarian theology and a competitor to Catholic/Orthodox/Oriental theology.
105 posted on
03/15/2024 5:09:16 AM PDT by
Cronos
(I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
To: Zionist Conspirator
As to
Also, the Pharisees' dispute with the Tzadduqim was that the latter were "sola scriptura" while the former were defenders of holy tradition. I suppose you don't see the irony of that either? The concept of sola scriptura dates far later than the first centuries of Christianity (leave alone the foundations of Pharisee-ism circa 4th century BC
There is a difference between the Oral Law and the "doctrines of men" which the Pharisees had been creating. They are not the same thing. The Traditions of the Elders are man-made laws regarded by the scribes and Pharisees as having the same legal binding force as that of the Written and Oral Law.
This is not the case in Christianity. No one believes that (let's take Church Law for example) Church Law is on par with or equal to the initial deposit of faith, which is given to us through written medium (the Scripture) and oral and demonstration (the Apostolic Tradition).
106 posted on
03/15/2024 5:12:51 AM PDT by
Cronos
(I identify as an ambulance, my pronounces are wee/woo)
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