6 Signs That’s Something Amiss at Your Church

Jonathan Brentner ^ | 1/6/24 | Jonathan Brentner

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Well stated!

So many denominations love to add to the finished work of Jesus Christ on the cross.

Either we allow Him to save us or we must do it ourselves.

Sounds ridiculous for God’s efforts to not be “enough”.

Then again, most Christians cannot differentiate salvation, sanctification, and regeneration processes. This is why we have arguments and heated discussions.

Oh well! They’ll eventually get it…

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Sorry you don’t believe in a literal Millennium.
Revelation 20:2-7 refutes that there is not one.

Call it baloney if you wish….

[Roman_War_Criminal]

And you offer no proof to your point?

Proverbs 18:13

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Weak very weak to state Dispensation started with Darby.

I wish folks would actually read their Bible’s before posting on such matters.

[Texas_Guy]

1 Peter 3:21
Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Nope you’re wrong.

And Baptism is an ACT.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Does 1 Peter 3:21 teach that baptism is necessary for salvation?

https://www.gotquestions.org/baptism-1Peter-3-21.html

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

If the act of baptism is that important why was not St Paul sent to Baptize? Instead that was left to the Apostles to the Circumcision to do. The original Apostles also continued to offer sacrifices in the Temple, talking Paul into taking a vow with other Jews who had vows on their head which required sacrifices.

I will stay with Paul’s statement
Romans 10:
“8But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
9That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

A reference to Noah. Yet who was it that got wet then? Noah was in the ark, a sinful world outside the ark and got wet.

And remember, Paul often mentioned baptism as being baptized INTO CHRIST! Crucified with Christ on the Cross. yet he was not sent to baptize in water by his own statement in Corinthians. If baptism in water is what saves you why was St Paul not sent to baptize? Peter was an apostle to the Jews. Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles. Each had a different commission from God.

The unbelieving Jews still have their Mikvehs yet does it save them?
Mikveh

Mikveh or mikvah is a bath used for the purpose of ritual immersion in Judaism to achieve ritual purity. In Orthodox Judaism, these regulations are steadfastly adhered to; consequently, the mikveh is central to an Orthodox Jewish community. Wikipedia

[NorthStarOkie]

Is baptism necessary?
1 Peter 3:21 “Baptism now saves us.” The same thing he said on Pentecost, “Be baptized for the remission of sins.”

Philip preaches Jesus to the Ethiopian eunuch. A verse or two later, “Why can’t I be baptized.” Hmmm! Preaching Jesus and soon wham! bam! baptism. Could it possibly be that preaching Jesus includes teaching about baptism and it’s effect (salvation)? Or did the eunuch, himself, concoct the idea of baptism out of thin air? And why was he so urgent about it?

**Baptism reflects that one is already saved — to show the world **
In the example of the eunuch, the *world* was possibly two people: Philip and the driver of the chariot.
I was baptized for the remission of sins, to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, to be added to the Lord’s church, and to have my name written in the Lamb’s Book of Life - In front of the whole world of 5 people, all of whom are probably dead now. My baptism has the most meaning to one person: ME.

Peter: Be baptized for the remission of sins. Acts 2
Jesus meets Saul of Tarsus and tells Saul that he will be told WHAT TO DO! The Lord chooses Ananias as the one who relays the Lord’s message to Saul: “Arise and BE BAPTIZED and WASH AWAY YOUR SINS.” Those are the Lord’s words, don’t mess with them.
1 Peter: Baptism now saves us.

Paul didn’t baptize anybody. But, when he met the twelve who had only John’s baptism, Paul immediately baptized them or had someone do it. Why? What were they lacking? It wasn’t faith. It wasn’t repentance. It wasn’t confession. Maybe, just maybe, probably maybe, it was salvation. They weren’t saved until they were baptized.

Choose: (1) the teaching of God-given scripture, (2) man-made denominational doctrine.

On Pentecost the Holy Spirit fell on the apostles for the purpose of activating their ministry with the *special* gift of the Holy Spirit. When the Holy Spirit fell on the household of Cornelius, it’s purpose was to leave no doubt in the mind of Peter that Gentiles were now to be offered salvation and admission to the Lord’s church. So the first thing Peter did was to command their baptism.

But, of course, none of this makes any sense. /sarc/

[Responsibility2nd]

Excellent points.

This is the best most complete studies on baptism around.

https://executableoutlines.com/topical_series/baptism/

[Roman_War_Criminal]

I agree with you.

The whole issue is like beating a dead horse.

Christ is never going to deny His Salvation to somebody who didn’t get baptized. He even says so Himself for all those who wish to come to Him (John 6:37-39) - the modern day Judaizers who love to put pridefully pat themselves on the back to prove “how good” they are in following Him lack massive spiritual maturity on the issue.

Paul even scoffs at the idea to baptize folks (1 Corinthians 1:17).

Anyways...
Your posts are highly appreciated on this matter! It needs to be stated & restated.

[Roman_War_Criminal]

Let’s take the whole Word of God then, since you picked a few:

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

Romans 5:8
but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Acts 16:31
And they said, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household.”

Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast.

Titus 3:5
he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,

1 Corinthians 1:14 (Paul)
I thank God that I baptized none of you except Crispus and Gaius,

1 Corinthnians 1:17 (Paul)
For Christ did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with words of eloquent wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

And the true Gospel of Salvation from Paul again:

1 Corinthians 15:1-8
1 Now I would remind you, brothers, of the gospel I preached to you, which you received, in which you stand,

2 and by which you are being saved, if you hold fast to the word I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

3 For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received: that Christ died for our sins in accordance with the Scriptures,

4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day in accordance with the Scriptures,

5 and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve.

6 Then he appeared to more than five hundred brothers at one time, most of whom are still alive, though some have fallen asleep.

I’m baptized FWIW, but this adding to Salvation Process (Heart, Mind, Speech) really has to stop.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***But, when he met the twelve who had only John’s baptism***

And what was John’s baptism authorized by the Lord God? “The baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.” So why did they need to be rebaptized? Some see this as a failure to understand who was being talked to.
Acts 19
4 Then said Paul, “John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.5 When they (the people who heard John preach) heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”

6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them,(those who heard Paul preach) the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
There are quite a few places in the Bible where you have to pay close attention to see who is being talked to or about.

This could also explain why there is no mention of Apollos being rebaptized.

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.(Baptism of repentance for the remission of sins)

[Philsworld]

You are 100% correct. And, it was Darby that came up with the term “dispensational truth”.