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To: Roman_War_Criminal

The Persians weren’t bulldozed. The Romans weren’t bulldozed. They lived out the span of empire.

The US, on the other hand, is bulldozing itself by knee-jerk unquestioning support of the Israeli state. We think we can play god by keeping Israel afloat indefinitely.

Being the ‘chosen’ people doesn’t necessarily mean that only good things will come your way.


9 posted on 11/28/2023 8:49:26 AM PST by bakeneko
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To: bakeneko

Where are the Romans now?
The Persians?

And to your point, where will America be?

Only Israel has survived.

There is a reason for it.


15 posted on 11/28/2023 8:54:53 AM PST by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: bakeneko
The US, on the other hand, is bulldozing itself by knee-jerk unquestioning support of the Israeli state. We think we can play god by keeping Israel afloat indefinitely.

Being the ‘chosen’ people doesn’t necessarily mean that only good things will come your way.

Have you considered that The Hand of God may be directing that unquestioning support? Even from our ungodly leadership?

30 posted on 11/28/2023 9:26:10 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: bakeneko
The US, on the other hand, is bulldozing itself by knee-jerk unquestioning support of the Israeli state.

What news are you reading? The US is hindering Israel - the best and almost only ally and purchaser in the Middle East - as well as supporting it, and helping little Israel's foes as it has for years.

I way I see it in brief, Israel lost its land - which, unlike Islam, was conquered due to incontrovertible Divine commandment - due to disobedience to God, and after a succession of conquerors, was was provided a portion of their land back by the last conqueror, while what were essentially squatters, repeatedly rejected offers of peaceful co-existence, which Israel's Arab citizens (about 20% of the Israel) do.

You may be against foreign aid in general, but when you support allies then it is not like a deficient to enemies. And the figures I see show,

The U.S. goods trade deficit with Saudi Arabia was $11.9 billion in 2022, a 359.1 percent increase ($9.3 billion) over 2021. In 2019, U.S. goods exports to Israel increased 5.1 percent to $14.4 billion from 2018. Since 1985, when the United States-Israel FTA came into force, U.S. exports to Israel have risen by 538 percent, although in 2019, the United States ran a $5.1 billion bilateral deficit in goods. - https://ustr.gov/countries-regions/europe-middle-east/middle-eastnorth-africa/saudi-arabia

And I also read:

Israel ends up sacrificing far more value in return for the nearly $4 billion it annually receives from Washington. That’s because nearly all military aid to Israel—other than loan guarantees, which cost Washington nothing, the U.S. gives Israel no other kind of aid—consists of credits that go directly from the Pentagon to U.S. weapons manufacturers
In 2019, leading liberal and progressive candidates vying for the Democratic nomination for president, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Pete Buttigieg, and Julian Castro, all voiced support for making aid a condition of Israel allowing the U.S. to dictate its internal politics.
As the price of its dependency, Israel is now being forced to downgrade its own defense industries. Whereas the previous MOU [Memorandum of Understanding] contained a special provision for Off-Shore Procurement (OSP) that allowed Israel to spend around 26% of the aid it received on domestic products, the new terms require that all aid received from Washington be spent inside the U.S.
Recently, U.S. military aid to both Israel and the Palestinian territories has been dwarfed by U.S. aid to Ukraine, which last year totaled over $75 billion. That’s more aid than Israel has received from the U.S. during the entirety of the U.S.-Israel relationship.
Aid to Israel has never been an act of charity or a payment extorted by “the lobby,” but a tool to advance American interests. The list of these interests can change—historically, it has included counterterrorism, nuclear nonproliferation, and a balance of military power that favors America’s dominant strategic position in the Middle East. - https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/end-american-aid-israel

And this article is actually critical of the degree of aid, and the Memorandum of Understanding:

In return for accepting Obama’s aid package, Israel has now become dangerously reliant on U.S. military technology.

50 posted on 11/28/2023 8:16:30 PM PST by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: bakeneko; Pelham

Don’t tell that to dispensation zealots here

I simply did not grow up with this notion in my 1960s Southern Baptist church

We wished best for the Jews (with questions about their historical behavior and treatment )but nobody spoke all this stuff you see here

First time I heard Hagee rail on I was like when did this start

When the Klan mid 60s bombed Beth Israel temple because they associated local mostly Dixiecrat Jews (like most southerners then) with Jewish freedom riders from oberlin etc it caused friction and violence

Anyhow my church took the Jews in to use our sanctuary for services till Beth Israel could be repaired

It was just the right thing there was none of unusual stuff I see now

The big irony I suppose is leftist Jews are no question extremely influential in the attempted takedown of western civilization

Soros and Wyss are right now funding the instantly mobilized shock troops out on campi and streets with anti semitism and anti Israel violence

Yet who do liberal Jews lean on to push back

Why the very people who’s civilization their more radical brethren are working to dismantle

And I’m very much in that club

So am I stupid or just know right from wrong when I see it?

Jews have to make a decision

Israelis and I know Israel from business and life long Israeli pals already know who they can count on here

But domestic lefty Jews have to determine over two fears

Jew hating jihadis

Or the fear right leaning Christian people and culture is not a potential pogrom or final solution every time and needs protecting

Their fear of Christianity is not unfounded

Pogroms were worse than Hamas and the final solution was of course despite hyperbole here

But they have to stop this crap honestly you simply can’t help but notice it

Zionism took root in British Palestine and before than ottoman administerd rather than Europe due to bitter memories

Why don’t we get a homeland ?

Ours is under steady attack for bringing civilization to this planet

Israel also needs to get their babes breeding too btw

They are at risk over that


59 posted on 11/29/2023 8:55:31 AM PST by wardaddy (I have seen true anti semitism is more common in USA than I imagined. A disease in the public mind)
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