Posted on 11/14/2023 3:57:29 PM PST by grumpa
1. What verse of Scripture do you find that Christ will come for his saints to take them to heaven specifically to avoid a 7-year period of tribulation?
2. If the Great Tribulation was to be global, why did Jesus say to his followers that they could avoid it by fleeing to the mountains (Matthew 24:16)?
3. Do you believe that Israel and the church are different bodies, even though the Bible teaches that they are the same body (Ephesians 2:15; 3:6)―and that there is no distinction between Jew and Greek? (Acts 15:9; Romans 2:28-29; 10:12; Galatians 3:28-29; Colossians 3:11)
4. If the church age is only a parenthesis, why do so many passages teach that Jesus is reigning as now (Matthew 28:18; John 5:22; Ephesians 1:20-22; 1 Timothy 6:15-16; Hebrews 1:1-12; 7:25; 8:1-4; Revelation 1:6) and forever? (Isaiah 9:6-7; Daniel 2:44; 7:14; Luke 1:32-33; John 5:21-22; Acts 7:48-50; 10:36; 1 Corinthians 15:25; Colossians 1:13-20; Hebrews 1:12; 7:24; 8:1-4; Revelation 1:5; 3:21; 11:15; 19:16) Further, the new covenant is eternal (Hebrews 13:20) and the gospel is eternal (Revelation 5:13; 14:6), right?
5. Can you find a single verse in the New Testament that says anything about the need for a re-built temple?
6. Wouldn’t a re-built temple with animal sacrifices and rituals denigrate Christ’s ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice? (Hebrews 10:10)
7. Can you show us where there is an implied gap of over 2,000 years before Daniel’s 70th week (other than you need it to support dispensationalism)?
8. If the land promise to Israel is forever, why did God say it was conditional in Deuteronomy 28 and 1 Kings 9:6-9? 9. Do you believe two-thirds of the Jews will be slaughtered in a Holocaust II (Zechariah 13:8)? If so, how can you call yourself pro-Israel? When it says in Romans 11:26 that “all Israel will be saved” doesn’t that have to mean, according to your doctrine, that “all Israel left after two-thirds are slaughtered will be saved”?
10. If the Bible is to be interpreted 100% literally, why are terms like “must shortly take place,” “soon,” “near,” “at hand,” this generation,” etc. not read literally?
11. Is there a single verse that explicitly teaches that the antichrist with make a covenant with the Jews and then break it? Can you even find Antichrist in either Daniel or Revelation?
12. Doesn’t every mention of the last days/end times in the New Testament refer to the first century (Matthew 24:3, 14, 34; Acts 2:14-20; 1 Corinthians 7:29-31; 10:11; 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 3:1-5; Hebrews 1:2; 9:26; James 5:3-9; 1 Peter 1:5, 20; 4:7; 2 Peter 3:3; 1 John 2:18; Jude 18).
Here are MORE Questions for Dispensationalists:
more questions for dispensationalists
Book Mark
Are you really looking for answers?
Are you even remotely open to questioning your own conclusions on this?
I commend you! As a former owner of that coffee table sized book of the dispensations, complete with all the graphic work, you have done your homework!
I await what answers come forward.
(I lost that book in a relocation move in 1994.)
“your own conclusions “
Good question ....
everyone should be open to reasoning from the scriptures ..
but few are really looking for anything that goes against their ideas.
so ... throw something out there ... see if it has legs
He makes some good points. Much of the bible is not perfectly clear to our human minds.
I think that, to the believer, that God protecting His followers in the midst of trouble would be much more impressive and witness-worthy than making them disappear.
Revelation is a closed book, meaning that it is prophecy that will not make sense to people until they actually go through it.
Christians are likened to wild olive branches that are grafted into the domesticated olive tree to take the place of branches that do not produce. I’m not sure that the pruned branches are considered to be part of the olive tree, since they aren’t anymore.
For whatever it’s worth, the verses people take to be talking about the rapture (one taken, another left, etc.), it seems to me that they could have a darker meaning, it reminds me a bit of what has happened to Chinese Christians, at the hands of the government.
We are not bound by Jewish law, presumably our law is that we are to love our neighbor as ourself because against such there is no law. In the New Testament there was a roiling controversy about whether or not Christians should be circumcised. There is also around the same place talk of food that has been presented for people to eat after it was previously sacrificed to idols. On the one hand, Christians don’t believe in the idols, so it should be OK to eat, but on the other hand, some in the Church had serious problems with getting anywhere near idols being worshipped by anyone. The teaching was then that you don’t eat sacrificed food if you know it was sacrificed, or if other Christians believed it was sacrificed.
It’s been a while since I read Revelation, I guess I’ll read it again.
My own two cents worth, good luck!
Well, it seems pretty clear that Jesus said no man knows the day nor the hour, only th Father. So rather than debate about the hour, would we be better off to live by His commandments as much as possible, be watchful, and be sure we have oil for our lamps for the hour when the Bridegroom does arrive?
I’m not a dispensationalist, but in regards to question 3, I always thought Italians were most like the Jews.
There are plent of verses that calls for the rapture before the Trib. I’m not going to search them all. This one is just one of many.
Revelation 3:1010 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
The fleeing to the mountains is for the Jews in Israel. They are going to be invaded in the end times.
6. Wouldn’t a re-built temple with animal sacrifices and rituals denigrate Christ’s ONCE-FOR-ALL sacrifice? (Hebrews 10:10)
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Well, yes.
If that temple and sacrifices actually did take away sin. But they did not take away sin in the OT, and won’t when re-built. Heb 10:12 says so.
But some Jews will rebuild it and try. All they will accopmplish is to fulfill prophecy.
And some Jews will ‘get it’ and find the True Messiah.
I'm curious. What makes you think this?
“not perfectly clear”
yes ... but the fewer commentaries one reads ...
and the more Bible one reads ...
the clearer it becomes.
amen. that’s exactly right. I believe those that believe or wish to be whisked out of here early a) have no faith and/or b) don’t believe God is capable of protecting us
Obey Acts 2:38, receiving the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues* and you will KNOW that the prophecies in question are the real deal.
* Yes, there are fakers that speak in ‘tongues’. The devil has a deceptive copy for everything church related.
the hour of trial is Satan’s wrath, not God’s wrath. We are protected from GOD’s wrath at the end of the age.
Satan’s wrath is directed at unbelievers
“Revelation is a closed book”
wow .. where did you get that?
Do you know what the word revelation means?
noun
1.
a surprising and previously unknown fact, especially one that is made known in a dramatic way.
“revelations about his personal life”
Similar:
disclosure
surprising fact
divulgence
declaration
utterance
announcement
report
news
leak
avowal
acknowledgment
admission
confession
2.
the divine or supernatural disclosure to humans of something relating to human existence or the world.
or at least that’s what google says...
**yes ... but the fewer commentaries one reads ... and the more Bible one reads ...
the clearer it becomes.**
Exactly!
One of my favorite ways of saying that is:
“When teaching what is in the Bible, it’s best to stay in the Bible.”
(I say that even though I have written a commentary that focuses on a several topics in the Bible. I only used the Bible and my personal experiences.)
One of the problems ... We’re not even all using the same book.
yours...
Revelation 3:1010 Since you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the hour of trial that is going to come on the whole world to test the inhabitants of the earth.
mine ...
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
It’s not the same.
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