Open Letter to Francis: Why Are You Destroying the Religion of the Saints?

The Remnant Newspaper ^ | November 1, 2023 | Robert Morrison

[Forward the Light Brigade]

There will be no
Rapture—people vanishing away. No, God will never do that because it will take away Free Will. He will make up a system—like maybe a disease where lots of folks die? People will vanish but it will be explained away with a rational explanation. God will never appear in the sky, then all will know God exists—flock to him in false worship. No. He would rather work within the normal references of the world. He wants souls to come to him by faith not fear. He made that mistake with the angels—half revolted. No, he wants humans to come to to him willingly.

[Big Red Badger]

The Whore of Babylon is Drunk on the Blood of The Saints and will be cast into the Lake of Fire with the Devil and his Angels

[metmom]

The Olympic grade rationalizations Catholics will twist themselves into to justify any doctrine their church teaches.

You mean to tell me that God Incarnate actually PRAYED to His created beings and asked them for something?

[RoosterRedux]

It is a quantum leap to conclude that what happened at THE Transfiguration re: Jesus talking to Moses and Elijah--in person--was somehow meant to be interpreted as instructions for Christians to pray to dead people.

In fact, if someone appears to you as Moses or Elijah, you might want to check their IDs (i.e., "test their spirits").

Jesus also spoke to a dead Lazarus ("Lazarus, Come Forth"), but I don't think that meant that we are supposed to pray to dead people.

[daniel1212]

"Call now if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints. [Job 5:1]

Once again this carelessly proffered punted proof is is short and wide. There simply is no "and turn to some of the saints," but " to [H413] which [mı̂y H4310 of the saints [qâdôsh H6918 - used for general believers in Ps.16:3, Ps. 34:9, Ps. 89:5, Ps. 89:7] wilt thou turn? [pānâ; turn, look: H6437  Even the very translation that you link to does not say "turn to some of the saints."

"Call now if there be any that will answer thee, and turn to some of the saints. [Job 5:1]

Once again this ignorant proffered punted proof is is short and wide. There simply is no "and turn to some of the saints," but " to [H413] which [mı̂y H4310 of the saints [qâdôsh H6918 - used for general believers in Ps.16:3, Ps. 34:9, Ps. 89:5, Ps. 89:7] wilt thou turn? [pānâ; turn, look: H6437  Even the very translation that you link to does not say "turn to some of the saints."

Moreover, this verse is a rhetorical question, which is not even telling Job to pray to anyone, for Eliphaz the Temanite is telling Job that he has no recourse to man for relief for he (as he supposes) is being justly punished, and that vain is the help of man, being preceded by denigration of mortals and the vanity of their help in verses immediately preceding 5:1:

"Shall mortal man be more just than God? shall a man be more pure than his maker? Behold, he put no trust in his servants; and his angels he charged with folly: How much less in them that dwell in houses of clay, whose foundation is in the dust, which are crushed before the moth? They are destroyed from morning to evening: they perish for ever without any regarding it. Doth not their excellency which is in them go away? they die, even without wisdom." (Job 4:17-21)

And which context shows that the "Call now, if there be any that will answer thee; and to which of the saints wilt thou turn?" is rhetorically excluding man as being of help, and instead of looking to man, his only advice is "I would seek unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause." (Job 5:8)

Thus once again a proffered polemic for Purgatory is exposed as prevarication, refuted by sound exegesis. Which is what treating Scripture as the master, versus a servant compelled to serve the deified church-god.requires.

[daniel1212]

The Apostle Paul, (Saint Paul, that is) explicitly asks saints to pray for him in the Bible, just as Catholics today do. The reader may be astonished, but the claim is true. St. Paul prayed to saints. Here’s proof: “Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus.” (Eph. 1:1 KJV) Here is St. Paul writing to the Ephesians. He calls them saints. At the end of the book of Ephesians (6:18-19), he tells these saints to pray for him: “Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly…” (KJV)

ET! "Saints" is what all believers are called,*
and Paul is not writing to the departed but to the Ephesians which he is addressing.

This is such as a ludicrous ignorant attempt to support PTCBIH that is simply testifies again to the desperation of Catholics in trying to justify a practice that should be easily and explicitly supported, in the light of over 200 prayers by believers in the Bible and there have always been plenty of created beings to pray to, and needful opportunities to do so or to give thanks to such.

*Mat. 27:52, Act. 9:13, Act. 9:32, Act. 9:41, Act. 26:10, Rom. 1:7, Rom. 8:27, Rom. 12:13, Rom. 15:25-26 (2), Rom. 15:31, Rom. 16:2, Rom. 16:15, 1Co. 1:2, 1Co. 6:1-2 (2), 1Co. 14:33, 1Co. 16:1, 1Co. 16:15, 2Co. 1:1, 2Co. 8:4, 2Co. 9:1, 2Co. 13:12-13 (2), Eph. 1:1, Eph. 1:15, Eph. 2:18-19 (2), Eph. 3:8, Eph. 3:18, Eph. 4:12, Eph. 5:3, Eph. 6:18, Phi. 1:1, Phi. 4:22, Col. 1:2, Col. 1:4, Col. 1:12, Col. 1:26, 1Th. 3:13, 2Th. 1:10, Phm. 1:5, Phm. 1:7, Heb. 6:10, Heb. 13:24, Jud. 1:3, Jud. 1:14, Rev. 5:8, Rev. 8:3-4 (2), Rev. 11:18, Rev. 13:7, Rev. 13:10, Rev. 14:12, Rev. 15:3, Rev. 17:6 (2), Rev. 18:24, Rev. 20:8-9 (2)

[BipolarBob]

“Hail Mary . . etc etc.” was meant as a greeting and joyful tidings. It was never repeated in the Bible afterwards. The angel was not praying to Mary. Mary was a minor figure in the Bible though she was present at the Crucifixion. John, the last surviving Disciple, never prayed to her or mentioned her after her death.

[daniel1212]

Go away, Daniel. In the name of God.

Meaning that you add taking the name of the Lord in vain to the list. Which is in response to your friend (though you may or may not share his anti V2 position) effectively continued reproofs of the desperate attempt to justify what they can only wish was actually exampled and manifestly taught in Scripture, as such a common basic practice would be.

[Big Red Badger]

Encountering the Holy One of Israel
Will Transform Your Eternity.
.
Relics,Idols and False Religion...
Not so much.

[ebb tide]

The Killer Bees: Biden and Bergoglio

[fortes fortuna juvat]

Why change the subject?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Change the subject? Did you not make the following statement?

“The problems already endemic within Catholicism are what permitted both of them to be established in the first place.

I simply asked you to support that contention, but apparently you’re unable to do so!

[Trump_Triumphant]

Hear! Hear!

[metmom]

So do you think that Vatican 2 and Pope Francis came out of the blue out of a problem free organization?

[Elsie]

You'd BETTER pray toMARY!!!

 

 

 

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The 15 promises

(Given to St. Dominic and Blessed Alan de la Roche)

1	Whoever shall faithfully serve me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall receive powerful graces.
2.	I promise my special protection and the greatest graces to all those who shall recite the Rosary.
3.	The Rosary shall be a powerful armor against hell, it will destroy vice, decrease sin, and defeat heresies
4.	It will cause virtue and good works to flourish; it will obtain for souls the abundant mercy of God; it will withdraw the hearts of people from the love of the world and its vanities, and will lift them to the desire of eternal things. Oh, that souls would sanctify themselves by this means.
5.	The soul which recommends itself to me by the recitation of the Rosary, shall not perish.
6.	Whoever shall recite the Rosary devoutly, applying Himself to the consideration of its Sacred Mysteries shall never be conquered by misfortune. God will not chastise Him in His justice, he shall not perish by an unprovided death; if he be just, he shall remain in the grace of God, and become worthy of eternal life.
7.	Whoever shall have a true devotion for the Rosary shall not die without the Sacraments of the Church.
8.	Those who are faithful to recite the Rosary shall have during their life and at their death the light of God and the plentitude of His graces; at the moment of death they shall participate in the merits of the Saints in Paradise.
9.	I  shall deliver from purgatory those who have been devoted to the Rosary.
10.	The faithful children of the Rosary shall merit a high degree of glory in Heaven.
11.	You shall obtain all you ask of me by the recitation of the Rosary.
12.	All those who propagate the Holy Rosary shall be aided by me in their necessities.
13.	I  have obtained from my Divine Son that all the advocates of the Rosary shall have for intercessors the entire celestial court during their life and at the hour of death
14.	All who recite the Rosary are my children, and brothers and sisters of my only Son, Jesus Christ.
15.	Devotion of my Rosary is a great sign of predestination.

 

"The Most Holy Virgin in these last times in which we live has given a new efficacy to the recitation of the Rosary to such an extent that there is no problem,

no matter how difficult it is, wheter temporal or above all spiritual, in the personal life of each one of us, of our families...that cannot be solved by the Rosary.

There is no problem, I tell you, no matter how difficult it is, that we cannot resolve by the prayer of the Holy Rosary."

Sister Lucia dos Santos

[Elsie]

Only those who are engaged in justifying their unscriptural departures from the authentic Christian faith would miss something so obvious.

Call no man father

[Elsie]

As the men were leaving Jesus, Peter said to him, “Master, it is good for us to be here. Let us put up three shelters—one for you, one for Moses and one for Elijah.” (He did not know what he was saying.)

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Nice pope ya got there!

[Elsie]

Warning!

Don't use this fella as a reference!

He made that mistake with the angels—half revolted

He doesn't do fractions very well, and his 'god' makes mistakes!

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Revelation 12:4 refers to “a third of the stars of heaven” being swept away by the dragon, which is often interpreted as a reference to a third of the angels who followed Satan.

This interpretation is supported by the teachings of theologians such as Augustine and Thomas Aquinas.

[Elsie]

What about scapulars?

SURELY they gotta work!!

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While the rosary, the Memorare, and other prayers are wonderfully powerful ways to intercede for others, Our Blessed Mother decided, in 1840, to help us get a little more creative in regards to how we pray for healing and spiritual conversion for the people in our lives.

 

 https://www.romancatholicman.com/guide-green-scapular-powerful-devotion-covert-operations/

 

Exactly six years later, Mary appeared again, and Sr. Justine asked her these important questions. Our Lady’s reply was surprisingly simple and rather intriguing:

“This scapular is not like others [it is not based on a religious habit] but merely two holy images on a single piece of material. Therefore, no special formula is required to bless it or enroll someone in its use. It suffices that it be blessed by a Catholic priest and worn by the one whom we desire to benefit by Our Lady’s intercession. If, on the other hand, the person is unable, or even unwilling, to wear it or carry it, it may even be slipped, unknown to them, into their clothes, possessions, home or work environments, etc."

 

 

 

 

[Elsie]

Didn't Paul know that he could go directly to God? Why does he ask people to pray for him?

FOR him - not TO him!

[Elsie]

a problem free organization?

Well; them seven Catholic churches in Asia were problem free; it says so in the first three chapters of Revelation.