Posted on 10/08/2023 12:08:58 PM PDT by Morgana
For part 1 of our exposé, dealing with our general sense of the conference click here. For part 2, where we review a session by panelists with trans children who argue for gender affirming care, click here. For part 3, where a speaker repeatedly teaches that we must be gay affirming, click here. For part 4, where Stanley tells the audience that he refuses to call homosexuality a sin, click here. (ON LINK)
Andy Stanley joined Debbie Causey for the second main session of the Unconditional conference. Causey is a pastor and the long-time Care Director at North Point Community Church. She is a board member of Renovus, an LGBTQ activist group led by her and other gay-affirming leaders within North Point church, and she recently revealed that when parents from church come to her looking for resources for their struggling and confused LGBTQ children, she recommends they attend The Christian Closet, a counseling collective where literally all the counselors and therapists are on the LGBTQ spectrum and are gay-affirming.
Rather than than give a long detailed article, this will be a brief overview of things overheard and said by Stanley. All the direct quotes are italicized.
“Most of the negative feedback I get is from traditional evangelical Christians, because I don’t say things the right way, and they read between the lines, and that’s ok.”
Causey asks him what he thinks about parents who feel like they have to choose between their theology and their love for their kids, and Andy responds, “bad theology.” He elaborates: “if your theology limits who you can minister to, then you definitely don’t have the theology of Jesus.”
Debbie asks him why all these kids are leaving the church, and he says, “Because it’s hard for people’s theology to grow up.” He says when a church system “doesn’t allow people’s theology to grow up, “then words and phrases become the theology.”
Andy says that for most people, if their faith doesn’t evolve, “it’s not a big deal” because they’ll just live their life and they won’t have to deal with it, but for the 18-25 year olds, “it’s a binary, it’s ‘I’m either going to deny who I am and pretend, I’m out.'”
LGBTQ kids feel like they have to choose between themselves or their faith, and “you can only choose your faith over yourself for so long.” For this reason, they’ve spent the last decade “making broader conversations. So LGBTQ kids don’t think it’s either/ or” or that they have to choose between openly and proudly gay and being a faithful believer.
In the context of most LGBTQ people having pray for God to take away their homosexuality: “if the church doesn’t know what to do with people with an unanswered prayer, we’re just not much of a church.”
To people always criticizing gay people and being judgemental towards them: “One of these days, you’re gonna love an LGBTQ+ person. And in that moment, you’re gonna change, but you don’t have to wait until then.”
In the context of talking about unanswered prayers, Stanley clarifies a with Debbie Causey that homosexuality is not a disease or an illness that God needs to heal or cure. Stanley then says, “I know it’s tricky because you have 1 Corinthians 6, 1 Timothy 1, Romans 1.” He says that “the behaviors that Paul called out as sin then were sin then, and are sin now, because serial sexual relationships are bad for everybody involved.” He says “We take these verses very seriously. But again, this is different, and we have to make space and create a new vocabulary.”
Says that when you have and LGBTQ+ child, “all of those filters we’re constantly trying to take down so that we can just love our kids and not leverage our kids and use our kids and bounce our reputation off our kids” are “so heightened and so enraged and so inflamed.”
When it comes to parenting, “You never want to give up influence with your children unnecessarily.” Says those with gay children “are tempted daily to accidentally give up influence, ultimate influence with your kids. And the church has not been your partner.”
We’ll conclude with the final part of this report tomorrow, where Stanley criticizes Rosaria Butterfield, Becket Cook, and Christopher Yuan for their views and advice about homosexuality, among other things.
People like Stanley and Causey are what the scripture calls false prophets.
Paul wrote in the letter to the Christians in Rome, that:
“26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.” Romans 1:26, 27.
Just saying.
Gwjack
Rumor has it that Cap’n Crunch and Lucky are both serial homosexuals.
He's partly right....you either chose to follow God or chose to follow the flesh.
IF you're attempting to do this without repenting of your sins you're still in the flesh.
Andy is a false teacher and a liar.
This has nothing to do with "serial sexual relationships." Using his "logic" then one night stands or "hook ups" do not fall under this redefining of terms.
Would he excuse the murderer if it was only one murder?
He's doing the same thing satan has done his whole life....did God really say?
Andy is living out daddy Charles Stanley’s false doctrine of unconditional eternal security, where all you have to do is believe and confess Jesus at one point in your life and nothing you do or believe after that point matters. Why not be a homosexual, adulterer, Muslim, transgender, etc.?
The parts don’t fit no matter how much lube or bad hermeneutics you apply.
Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. Galatians 5:24
We ALL have to make that choice.
Amen 🙏🏻!
Pastor Andy is fortunate enough that we don’t toss alphabet folks off tall buildings like muzzies do.
“where Stanley tells the audience that he refuses to call homosexuality a sin”
If you put makeup on a pig, you can call it whatever you want but it is still a pig.
Andy is living out daddy Charles Stanley’s false doctrine of unconditional eternal security, where all you have to do is believe and confess Jesus at one point in your life and nothing you do or believe after that point matters. Why not be a homosexual, adulterer, Muslim, transgender, etc.?
There are many that claim to be believers that will hear, “Depart from me. I never knew you.” Is Andy an actual believer? He doesn’t seem to act like it. Why do you want to group so many others with him? It’s not going to be your call.
There are many many verses that counter what you’re saying but I am not making time for that today.
Replace the wotd gay with adultery and pederasty, all the same.
Scriptures Against Homosexuality Were About ‘Serial Sexual Relationships’
I remember, a decade or more ago, a question floating around: which of the big name US evangelical pastors would be the first to perform a same sex wedding? Would it be Bill Hybles? Rick Warren? Joel Osteen guy?
I think we have a new front runner for that. (Unless I've missed something and that milestone on the way to Nova Babylonia has been passed already.)
Exactly right! Satan's tactics haven't changed since the Garden, because they still work. I sympathize, to a point. It must be hard on a young person who has "those feelings" when the world around them is telling them it's OK. If I were God I would have allowed some wiggle room......so I would make a lousy God. I knew a young man who was saved at a young age, then fell into homosexuality in his college years. It drove him crazy, and he eventually killed himself (and an innocent person) by getting smashed and driving on the wrong side of the interstate. I fully believe that the cognitive dissonance between the Holy Spirit and the world drove him to it. You just can't have your body as a temple for the Holy Spirit and continue in grave sexual sin without consequences. I believe that I will see that young man in Heaven some day, because he surrendered his life to Christ and then was deceived by Satan. Those like Mr. Stanley that believe you can be a homosexual Christian are sadly mistaken, and most likely have never truly surrendered themselves to Christ. Mr. Stanley will lead many to sin and hell (or sin and mental anguish) in the coming years.
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