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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

St. Paul speaks of people getting sick and dying for failure to discern the true presence. Sound like a symbol to you?


17 posted on 10/02/2023 12:43:03 PM PDT by Texas_Guy
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To: Texas_Guy
St. Paul speaks of people getting sick and dying for failure to discern the true presence.

Golly, Tex; I've missed that part.

The closest I come come to reading something a bit similar is:

1 Corinthians 11:29 DRA

For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

65 posted on 10/02/2023 10:57:19 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Texas_Guy; MeneMeneTekelUpharsin; Elsie
St. Paul speaks of people getting sick and dying for failure to discern the true presence. Sound like a symbol to you?

Rather, as I am quite sure you have been told in the light of numerous reproofs of your parroted propaganda, which is clearly contrary to the context, in which the Corinthians were hypocritically supposing to be remembering the Lord's death, by which the the Corinthians had union with Christ and each other and were supposed to be declaring (1 Corinthians 11:26) by sharing bread as themselves being "one bread," (1 Corinthians 10:17)
yet some were eating independently and to the full (the Lord's supper was not a bit of bread and wine) and leaving others hungry, thus shaming other blood-bought members, utterly contrary to effectually remembering and thus proclaiming the Lord's death which bought them and made them one bread, because they were not recognizing/treating other blood-bought members of His body as being members, And thus were told that they were not coming together to eat the Lord's supper, and with the solution being that of self-examination (1 Corinthians 11:28) and waiting for each other, and not coming hungry to that communal feast. (1 Corinthians 11:33)

The nature of the elements is not at issue here, and are referred to as "bread" and "cup," consuming which declares/preaches (kataggellō) the Lord’s death, (1 Corinthians 11:26) but as in the preceding snd proceeding chapters, the focus is on the body of Christ, which was bought by His death, with His sinless shed blood, (Acts 20:28) to the glory of God in Christ.

Even the notes in the official RC bible for Americans states concerning "not discerning the Lord’s body" states,

"It follows that the only proper way to celebrate the Eucharist is one that corresponds to Jesus' intention, which fits with the meaning of his command to reproduce his action in the proper spirit. If the Corinthians eat and drink unworthily, i.e., without having grasped and internalized the meaning of his death for them, they will have to answer for the body and blood, i.e., will be guilty of a sin against the Lord himself (cf ⇒ 1 Cor 8:12 [But when ye sin so against the brethren, and wound their weak conscience, ye sin against Christ. (1 Corinthians 8:12)]).
At length,

Now in this that I declare unto you I praise you not, that ye come together not for the better, but for the worse. For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies [sects] among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you. When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper. For in eating every one taketh before other his own supper: and one is hungry, and another is drunken. What? have ye not houses to eat and to drink in? or despise ye the church of God, and shame them that have not? What shall I say to you? shall I praise you in this? I praise you not. (1 Corinthians 11:17-22)

Thus they failed to effectually remember the Lord's death, who bought them with His sinless shed blood (Acts 20;28) and made them one with the Lord and each other, and failed to show/declare/preach the Lord's death which Paul proceeds to state they where to do after repeating the Lord's words of consecration:

For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew [kataggellō=preach, declare] the Lord’s death till he come. (1 Corinthians 11:23-26)
And thus by independently and selfishly eating and to the full while ignoring members of the body of Christ they were supposed to be coming together as, to effectually remember the Lord's death which effected the unity they were to show, then they failed to discern the Lord's body (and which Paul majors on), contextually this being the church, and which body the adjoining chapters (10+11) elaborate on, and which problem is what the focus was on.

And therefore the solution to the issue is that of self-examination (as to how they are acting consistent with the death of Christ) and eating at home:

Wherefore whosoever shall eat this bread, and drink this cup of the Lord, unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and blood of the Lord. But let a man examine himself, and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of that cup. For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh damnation to himself, not discerning the Lord’s body....Wherefore, my brethren, when ye come together to eat, tarry one for another. And if any man hunger, let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation. And the rest will I set in order when I come. (1 Corinthians 11:27-29, 33-34)

Thus contextually, from beginning to end, "When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord’s supper," (1 Corinthians 11:20) and "let him eat at home; that ye come not together unto condemnation" this all refers to their sin of how they were acting, utterly hypocritical by selfishly filling themselves, ignoring others, while they were supposed to be remembering the Lord's death which made them one, and were to manifest being one bread, and thus were unworthy to take part in this communal feast of charity.

And as seen in the previous chapter, to take part in religious dedicatory pagan feasts would mean they would have fellowship with devils (1 Corinthians 10:20) - not by consuming their flesh of devils, but by identifying with them in taking part in worship, like as the bread which believers break in the Lord’s supper is the communion of the body of Christ. (1 Corinthians 10:16)

In contrast, nowhere in 1 Co. 11 (nor anywhere interpretive of the gospels) is there any elaboration on the nature of the food being consumed and reproving them for not recognizing this, despite the Catholic attempts to read this into the simple reiterating of the Lord's words of consecration in 1 Co. 11.

Thus this section, as with the gospel accounts, must be interpreted in context, and related to this, in the rest of Scripture the word of God is the only spiritual food described which gives life, being "milk" (1Pt. 2:2) and "meat" Heb. 5:12-14 by which one is nourished (1Tim. 4:6) and built up, (Acts 20:32) and who are to let the word of God dwell in them richly, and thereby teach others, (Col. 3:16) and with the preaching of it the evident means of feeding the flock. (Acts 20:28; cf. 2 Timothy 4:2)

82 posted on 10/03/2023 6:21:25 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey H)
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