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To: spirited irish

Certainly there is such a thing as unethical scientific practices, such as the Nazis’ use of it on living human subjects. But to say “science = witchcraft” because of some bad examples is like saying all Germans are evil. The natural and the supernatural are two distinct things, like science and religion, or witchcraft.


3 posted on 10/02/2023 2:15:57 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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To: Telepathic Intruder
It would have been better had the author used the term scientism rather than science. Below are two paragraphs from JP Moreland's book, "Scientism and Secularism: Learning to Respond to a Dangerous Ideology"

"Rigid adherence to scientism—as opposed to a healthy respect for science—is all too prevalent in our world today. Rather than leading to a deeper understanding of our universe, this worldview actually undermines real science and marginalizes morality and religion." "In this book, celebrated philosopher J. P. Moreland exposes the selfdefeating nature of scientism and equips us to recognize scientism’s harmful presence in different aspects of culture, emboldening our witness to biblical Christianity and arming us with strategies for the integration of faith and science—the only feasible path to genuine knowledge."

4 posted on 10/02/2023 2:29:56 AM PDT by spirited irish ( )
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“Supernatural” is a word we use to describe things we do not understand from a “natural” perspective, but who is to say whether at some point we gain an understanding that renders the former the latter? As a wholistic outlook on reality, the prospect of an eternal Creator bringing all things into existence and governing them is not all that fanciful or mysterious, but actually a rather natural way to understand the universe, much like science does, yet with great limitations which begin with flawed observers.


10 posted on 10/02/2023 3:34:29 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (May I please have a government shutdown?)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Exactly

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23 posted on 10/02/2023 8:54:12 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Telepathic Intruder

“But to say “science = witchcraft” because of some bad examples is like saying all Germans are evil.”

Actually that’s a great example. Just like all the Germans who knew what the Nazis were doing and didn’t condemn them WERE evil, so all scientists who know these unethical practices are going on and don’t condemn them are also evil.


25 posted on 10/02/2023 10:04:04 AM PDT by Boogieman
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