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To: Hieronymus

I don’t really think he was servile as much as just confused and dealing with a situation he had never dreamed of. Remember, the Jesuits are supposed to be the “shock troops” of the Pope, that is, totally loyal.

However, there’s a rogue element among them which now dominates, and actually wanted to be the Pope and take over all the offices. Accepting election as Pope is specifically forbidden in their rule, btw, and I never figured out how Bergoglio got away with it.

They always dabbled in politics, which is why many a country expelled the order at one time or another, but at the same time there were always many very devout and devoted Jesuits who loved the Faith and taught it.

Bergoglio is the full flowering of a combination of 60’s Jesuit Latin American Marxism and pantheist Teilhard de Chardin theory.

Ladaria was a scholar and probably an actual believer, unlike many a Jesuit, and he wasn’t ready for this (and was probably already an outsider in his own order).

I think he’s trying to make it right now and I give him that.


8 posted on 09/21/2023 11:02:33 AM PDT by livius
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To: livius

I’m not surprised that accepting election was initially forbidden, but that this made it through the post Vatican II overhaul, was breached, and I have never heard of it would surprise me.

I have no problem imaging that a Jesuit would find a way around the constitutions when it suited him.


9 posted on 09/21/2023 11:08:18 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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To: livius

there were always many very devout and devoted Jesuits who loved the Faith and taught it.


In Tarbes or Nimes, or over the sea,
You never shall have good words from me.
Caritas non conturbat me.

https://www.blueridgejournal.com/poems/hb-here.htm


10 posted on 09/21/2023 11:12:01 AM PDT by Hieronymus
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