Posted on 09/20/2023 1:23:36 AM PDT by spirited irish
It is obvious now, looking back at the post-9/11 and pre-Obergefell era, that the leftward drift of this movement was inevitable. The end of Renn’s “neutral world” and the beginning of a negative world hostile to Christianity began soon after the Supreme Court’s Obergefelldecision in 2015 and accelerated rapidly with Trump’s 2016 victory. Changed circumstances undermined the attractive witness model as previously practiced. The neutral-world ethos could not hold in the negative world; the era of open debate was gone.
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Well, the whole problem is Christians who hold themselves as “elite”. The kingdom of heaven is built on humility and hard work.
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Did you read the article? YRR is REFORMED meaning they don’t believe in the rapture. The Christian work done in the 19th and 20th centuries and the stand for orthodoxy was done mainly by pre-millennial Arminians.
I suspect the fall of evangelicalism and the rise of evil and lawlessness in this country if largely due to most churches doing away with midweek prayer meetings.
Nobody was gathering for corporate prayer for their communities and churches any more.
To what extent are they holding themselves as elite? What are originally disputes over substantive matters get layered over with "You think you're better than us," and "Yes, we are better than you," and elite versus anti-elite replaces what was originally at issue.
Welcome to FR.
The Evangelical movement was always attached to that non-biblical “rapture” nonsense, and basically as decades and decades pass the firm believers, who are paranoid about dying a natural death, realize it was all bull-honkey and now realize they gotta die like everyone else, and this basically fried their brain and like all people who’s beliefs get totally shattered, they immediately move onto some other radical movement as cope, even one which contradicts their previous system of beliefs
What's it to you whether someone believes that the rapture is going to happen?
How do you think it makes a lick of difference in how one lives their life before God?
You are doing some massive projecting there. Most of us realize that we will die before the rapture takes place. I don't know a single person who holds to the rapture who is afraid of dying. If you are ready for the rapture, you are ready for death. If you are ready for death, you are ready for the rapture.
Which ever way God chooses to take me, is fine with me, although I think it would be really awesome to be changed in the twinkling of an eye and caught up to heaven.
What a unique experience that would be.
But I also realize that I could die today and it's not *if* but when and how and I have precious little say in that matter.
No, they just don’t believe in a rapture separate from the second coming of Christ. The rapture is part of the parousia.
Trump is weak on gay marriage. Always has been. Overlooked it because he promised to give us good judges and he delivered for the most part. Homosexual acts are unnatural. There’s no right to a so-called gay marriage, I don’t care what the Supreme Court says and I don’t care how many Republicans buckle on it or how weak Trump is on it. It paves the way for the gender nonsense, they’re intimately linked. Trump now seems to be buckling on abortion, showing us his true heart on the issue. I will vote for him over Biden but my hopes are not high for a second term. Will he give us more good judges or squishes? Evangelicals, Catholics, Orthodox Jews and other people need to take a sane, bold, prophetic position in defense of the natural law whatever sleepy nonsense (1 Thess 5:6) we get from our religious and political leadership.
Christianity Today editor Russell Moore (promoted early on by Al Mohler) wrote an article, “A White Church No More,” for The New York Times, in which he accuses Trump supporters of “nativism” who will be “shocked” to see the “dark-skinned, Aramaic-speaking ‘foreigner’” on His heavenly throne. Trump’s supporters are not on the “right side of Jesus,” Moore claimed.
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Uh, NO.
In our age of secularist hostility, you must decide whether drag queen story hour is a blessing of liberty or a license to be destroyed; whether you want pagan nationalism or Christian nationalism; whether degeneracy or righteousness will prevail, and whether Satan or the Lord Jesus will rule over this land.
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It’s pretty clear Satan already rules over America.
So now you are making false accusations against me?
Well you enjoy children being turned into transsexuals and you hate Donald Trump and defend Hunter Biden.
7 Reasons Against The Pre-Tribulation Rapture
https://pastorvlad.org/tribulation/
Why The Rapture In the Bible Isn’t What You Think
https://www.rethinknow.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-rapture/
Paul Didn’t Believe in the Rapture. Neither Did Jesus. Neither Should You.
https://theologycurator.com/paul-jesus-rapture/
Catholic theology doesn’t support ‘the rapture’
https://catholicphilly.com/2021/11/catholic-spirituality/catholic-theology-doesnt-support-the-rapture/
Five Myths About the Rapture
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=5788
The Rapture’s Faulty Theology
https://www.catholic.com/qa/the-raptures-faulty-theology
How to Read the ‘Rapture’ Verses
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-read-the-rapture-verses
I didn’t post any lies about you, you are rabidly pro-abortion because you feel it kills blacks and on this thread, you are very nasty in detesting our most conservative voting block of Christians.
“you are rabidly pro-abortion because you feel it kills black”
Lies
“you are very nasty in detesting our most conservative voting block of Christians.”
The rapture is not Christian so how can criticizing it be anti-Christian?
7 Reasons Against The Pre-Tribulation Rapture
https://pastorvlad.org/tribulation/
Why The Rapture In the Bible Isn’t What You Think
https://www.rethinknow.org/what-does-the-bible-say-about-the-rapture/
Paul Didn’t Believe in the Rapture. Neither Did Jesus. Neither Should You.
https://theologycurator.com/paul-jesus-rapture/
Catholic theology doesn’t support ‘the rapture’
https://catholicphilly.com/2021/11/catholic-spirituality/catholic-theology-doesnt-support-the-rapture/
Five Myths About the Rapture
https://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/view.cfm?recnum=5788
The Rapture’s Faulty Theology
https://www.catholic.com/qa/the-raptures-faulty-theology
How to Read the ‘Rapture’ Verses
https://www.catholic.com/magazine/online-edition/how-to-read-the-rapture-verses
Well, you are as troll-like on the threads about Christians as you are on the abortion threads.
You are a particularly nasty retread.
You have a divided mind and a spirit of confusion. Your very first link acknowledges the rapture and supports it biblically, it is just that it argues more for post trib.
This you present as one of your arguments against any rapture. There is no gain for either of us and I refuse to debate a fool as biblically defined.
In your original post, you did not specify pre, mid or post tribulation rapture.
You simply used the word “rapture” as if believing in it were unbiblical.
Christians who believe the Bible ALL believe the rapture will occur someday as taught clearly in scripture.
The disagreement has always been WHEN ( the timing ) it will occur, NOT whether or not it will occur.
Let’s take one of the articles you posted entitled:
Paul Didn’t believe in the Rapture. Neither did Jesus, Neither Should You.
[EXCERPT FROM THAT ARTICLE]
Paul does certainly believe that Christ will return. But as we see in other Pauline passages, including this one, Christ will return to render resurrection to humankind (of which Jesus is the first). Pulling other passages in Paul together the picture of what God will do when Christ comes back is more profound than escaping this planet.
God’s goal in Christ is to resurrect, purge, heal, and establish the eternal kingdom of God on this earth. Heaven and earth will unite like a bride and husband – for all eternity. That’s it.
[END EXCERPT]
I don’t see how ANY Christian ( Evangelicals included) disagree with this eventual state. The disagreement has always been THE TIMING of when this will occur or whether or not certain events must take place before this ultimate state will be established.
At any rate, I fail to see how SPECIFIC disagreements regarding this partIcular eschatological issue relates to the left wing drift of certain Evangelicals ( the topic of this thread). Maybe you can explain how they relate…
As usual you are all name calling and no substance. Have a nice day.
When most people these days say “rapture” they mean the idea that some people will just disappear from earth and airplanes will fall from the sky, which of course is totally false
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