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To: metmom; daniel1212; aMorePerfectUnion; Elsie
FIVE Does the New Testament expressly refer to Christ's "unwritten word"? The New Testament itself teaches that it does not contain all that Our Lord did or, consequently, all that He taught.

Nor does it have to.

But the Roman Catholic has selectively edited the verse in John 20 to try to make his point though it fails when read in context.

. John 20-30: And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book, etc.

Incidentally...there is no etc in the passage. If the writer can't get that right what else is wrong.

The verse in question in context including the key part where John notes why things were recorded.

30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31 NASB 95

In 1 John 5:13-15 he wrote this as well.

13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. 1 John 5:13-15 NASB 95

Seems John wants us to know we can know.

The passage below is quoted correctly though cited incorrectly...but it's an improvement. However, it doesn't support the argument the writer is trying to advance. John is noting not everything He did was written down. No one has ever claimed that.

Nor is a complete record of everything Jesus need required. Just the list of meals alone would be extensive.

However, when keeping John 20:30-31 in mind this passage is perfectly fine.

John 21-25: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written everyone, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written Amen.

COMMENT: Since the Bible is incomplete, it needs something else to supplement it; i.e., the spoken or historically recorded word which we call Tradition.

This is a false claim that the Bible is somehow incomplete.

It ignores what John said about why he wrote his Gospel.

Further it denies what Paul wrote to Timothy regarding Scripture.

All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB 95

What is lacking for the Roman Catholic are the dogmatic explinations for what this officially means. Without Rome's official position the Roman Catholic really has no guide on how to properly understand these and many other passages.

If this is the best the writer has this is hardly worth the effort.

140 posted on 09/11/2023 3:35:16 PM PDT by ealgeone
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 ...and that believing you may have life in His name. 
 

 

251 posted on 09/12/2023 5:08:37 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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