Posted on 09/11/2023 9:23:22 AM PDT by ebb tide
The thief on the cross wasnâÂÂt baptized.
Augustine if Hippo may have been the first Protestant
The Codex Sinaiticus (Shelfmark: London, British Library, Add MS 43725), designated by siglum א [Aleph] or 01 (in the Gregory-Aland numbering of New Testament manuscripts), δ 2 (in the von Soden numbering of New Testament manuscripts), or Sinai Bible is a fourth century Christian manuscript of a Greek Bible, containing the majority of the Greek Old Testament, including the Apocrypha along with the deuterocanonical books, and the Greek New Testament, with both the Epistle of Barnabas and the Shepherd of Hermas included. It is written in uncial letters on parchment. It is one of the four great uncial codices (these being manuscripts which originally contained the whole of both the Old and New Testaments). Along with Codex Alexandrinus and Codex Vaticanus, it is one of the earliest and most complete manuscripts of the Bible, and contains the oldest complete copy of the New Testament.[1] It is a historical treasure,[2] and using the study of comparative writing styles (palaeography), it has been dated to the mid-fourth century.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Sinaiticus
In other words, it is from about 350 AD. It was kept in a Greek Orthodox monastery. It dates from before the origin of the Catholic church in the Great Schism of 1054.
John 1:1
King James Version
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
*(and the WORD WAS GOD)
*any attempt to discredit the WORD OF GOD is an attempt to discredit God Himself!
John 1:14
King James Version
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
*(and the WORD WAS MADE FLESH AND DWELT AMONG US.....FULL OF GRACE AND TRUTH)
Any guesses as to WHO this Scripture refers to? (hint, it’s not Mary)
If one denies the WORD OF GOD, they deny the Flesh, which is Jesus Christ.
There is ONLY one Head, NOT two!
1 Corinthians 11:1-4
King James Version
11 Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.
2 Now I praise you, brethren, that ye remember me in all things, and keep the ordinances, as I delivered them to you.
3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
4 ***Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.***
*(why does the hierarchy of Roman catholicism dishonor Jesus Christ by having their head covered?)
1 Corinthians 6:15-17
King James Version
15 Know ye not that your bodies are the members of Christ? shall I then take the members of Christ, and make them the members of an harlot? God forbid.
16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh.
17 But he that is joined unto the Lord is one spirit.
Revelation 2: 18-23
18 And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
where in the New Testament does it authenticate a cardinal? A pope?
1 Timothy 3
King James Version
3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.
2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;
3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;
4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)
6 Not a novice, lest being lifted up with pride he fall into the condemnation of the devil.
7 Moreover he must have a good report of them which are without; lest he fall into reproach and the snare of the devil.
8 Likewise must the deacons be grave, not doubletongued, not given to much wine, not greedy of filthy lucre;
9 Holding the mystery of the faith in a pure conscience.
10 And let these also first be proved; then let them use the office of a deacon, being found blameless.
11 Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things.
12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.
13 For they that have used the office of a deacon well purchase to themselves a good degree, and great boldness in the faith which is in Christ Jesus.
14 These things write I unto thee, hoping to come unto thee shortly:
15 But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory
We are to conform to the Word of God, not to a religion, or to a doctrine contrary to the Word of God!
You imply that certain Christian teachers were Protestant because of small quotes from their bodies of writings... what a laugh!
Each one of those men dedicated himself to the Catholic Church. Each one believed in the Real Presence of Christ in the Eucharist, in the efficacy of the sacraments, in the unity, holiness, universality, and apostolicity of the Catholic Church.
The reformers I just named were part of the Augustinian Order and heavily believed Augustine of Hippo's teachings over the other early church fathers. Thus the reformers' teachings in many ways were Augustine's teachings. (Not all, admittedly, just like nobody in the RCC agrees with all of other early church father teachings).
Re: the other three: then how is it that other churches teach differently and back up their claims from the Bible? Again. Ignore what other churches stay and focused solely on the word of God. This applies not just to salvation, but how to worship, give, pray and live like Christ.
How do we reconcile that different people glean different meanings from the Bible? Or are we all supposed to agree with you in order to be correct? NEVER agree with me. Or some Pope, Pastor or Priest. Only trust the Word of God. If I or anyone else teaches a point outside the Word - dispute it.
Neither was Moses, Abraham or thousands of others who died before Christ.
So what’s your point?
Clearly Christ died, was buried and resurrected after the thief. So must YOU be. In baptism.
St Augustin on the Catholic Church: https://www.azquotes.com/author/663-Saint_Augustine/tag/church
I think you will be disappointed in your “protestant.”
I am sure similar quotes can be found by each of the other Catholics you (Colt1851Navy) think are Protestant, but I must go and do some IRL work!
You’ve got it backwards.
The Catholic Church predated the schismatic Orthodox church, which originated in the Great Schism of 1054.
He also didn't go to heaven that day either.
The thief is proof water baptism isn’t needed. We are baptized in the Holy Spirit
Actually, my post was a reply to the challenge: Ok. Tell me who were those "protesants" before 400 A.D. who agreed with the Catholic church.
In other words, I'm saying the early church fathers agreed with the Catholic church in many ways, though their teachings were very much in line with the Protestants today. Particularly regarding the subject matter of this thread: sola scriptura.
“Who ya going to believe...your lying eyes and the holy spirit bringing you understanding...or what someone else tells you the bible says? There is of course a role for the church and for teachers but if what they teach goes against the bible they are a false church and false disciples.”
That’s my position as well. I can consider the viewpoint of others, but I’ve found it is always best to read the Bible and see for myself the words in the Scripture. For many times others change a word or use a different meaning for a word. Doing so can change the meaning of the entire verse. Often others are trying to deliberately mislead you.
Also, verses have to be taken in context so often you have to read an entire chapter or even book in the Bible to determine the meaning. I’d prefer to get the word from the horse’s mouth so to speak.
2 Peter 1:21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man.: but holly men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
The writings of the Word of God was sanctioned by God. This makes moot any of the other scribblings of your thread. Which is dumb.
Thank you for making the point regarding Sola Scriptura. Both Protestants and Catholics can find quotes from the early church fathers for and against each "side". Likewise, if we're honest, there are things some of them believed that neither RCC'ers nor Protestants today believe (i.e. some of them believed in instantaneous creation, not taking even 7 days). And if us Protestants are honest, there are problems some of us have with a few of the teachings of the early reformers.
So how do we know what to believe? Answer: What we know to be written by the apostles: SCRIPTURE!!!
How shrewd! Using the so-called "first pope" for an argument for Sola Scriptura. LOL
The Word of God is inspired by God. The roman catholic church is not.
God is infallible. The pope is not.
Lent is not Scriptural. Nor is purgatory.
Man cannot forgive sins.
All meat is to be received if cleansed by God.
Isn’t fish a meat? Why doesn’t this false doctrine go back to the Church origin? Because it can’t be supported by the Inspired Word of God.
Why are catholic priests not allowed to marry? The Word of God warns against such doctrines.
Why does the catholic church allow cardinals (which is not even a Scriptural office) to VOTE into a false throne, a false head of the catholic church? Nowhere in the Bible does such an office appear.
We are to bow before the Lord Jesus Christ. Not some clown posing as the head. And certainly not to kiss his ring. This is idolotry.
Do you even know the difference between "spake" and "wrote"?
Obviously not.
Doesn’t everyone know that the pope and all the embedded child molesters know the truth all of you should be following? They are so serious about getting their truth out that they are willing to bankrupts dioceses the world over.
Listen to all the child molesters! They know how wrong the Bible is, and how wrong each of you are, in following it.
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