Posted on 09/11/2023 9:23:22 AM PDT by ebb tide
“Join the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church, outside of which there is no Salvation.”
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And I challenge you to prove that is true!
“A bunch of questions is not an answer.”
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....and responding with quotes from a false religions icons is not an answer.
WHAT DOES GOD SAY?
How do we know what sayeth the Lord God?
The answer is not found at some Vatican. The answer is found in His inspired Word which you attempt to discredit for lack of belief!
Leaning on your own understanding is so much better./s
What the bible says about soul, spirit and body is critical to understanding what happens after a Christian dies. So the first thing to establish is this. If we can't even agree on that then what's the use of further discussion? I'm just asking you what the biblical definition is. After that we can tackle the issues that pertain to them. Do you want me to supply definitions?
Their claim to transubstantiation is actually blasphemous because they claim to create Jesus Christ every time some pompous impostor in a turned around collar claims through his hocus pocus to pull a rabbit from his hat.
“I hate the term “laity”
Jesus hated the deeds of the Nicolatians. Which was to exalt clergy over laity.
Revelation 2:4-6
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitanes, which I also hate.
What began with the deeds of the Nicolaitanes during the period of the Ephesian Church soon developed into a doctrine during the period of the Pergamos church. Afterwards, Thyatira arose and gave full expression to the doctrine of the Nicolaitanes, an evil that the Lord Jesus Christ hates. It is men seeking lordship over the assembly of God.
https://www.christiantreasury.org/content/deeds-and-doctrine-nicolaitanes
I don’t mean to be disrespectful. But you need to make your point.
Question for all regardless of your denominational faith...
If you were never introduced to Christianity and were ship wrecked on a deserted island, would your chances be greater of discovering Salvation if you were given a Bible, or ship wrecked with this guy from the seven hills exalting himself as pope?
Romans 8:1-2
King James Version
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
It rained. He got sprinkled. 😎
The Head of the church is Jesus Christ. There is only ONE Head.
There is no other. Any other claiming to be the head is an impostor.
The antichrist will sit on the throne claiming to be God.
Similarity?
Ok, I keep seeing this thread pop up on the timeline, so I thought to pile on...
I refuse to attend a church Bible teaching which is topical.
Just teach the Word, book by book, chapter by chapter, verse by verse. This is how I study personally.
Topical teaching is bent upon the hobby horse of the teacher. I don’t give a rip about any man’s opinions. Lol there to learn what God says only.
The book of second opinions isn’t in my Bible
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xbePYS2XxGw
Why do you even need a “church” then?
quote: “Why do you even need a “church” then?”
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Good question. How did Paul, the Apostle unto the Gentiles address that during the early church?
Acts 2:46-47
King James Version
46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,
47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.
Paul’s opposition came from the religious ones in the buildings. But under persecution, the church grew as they broke bread from house to house.
Great question!
You are amazing... your insight... your remarkable grasp of God's will... the endless amusement.
“Why do you even need a “church” then?”
BTW, the “church” is made up of the people. NOT brick and motor.
Arguing over who worships Jesus better is “dumb”. These threads are pointless
Well, this isn’t a flame baiting thread, is it?
Sheesh. You have it bad.
AND...
In His inerrant Word God says, "There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death." (Proverbs 16:25)
Spiritual death = BAD news.
Being superstitious is bad luck. :)
Nor does it have to.
But the Roman Catholic has selectively edited the verse in John 20 to try to make his point though it fails when read in context.
. John 20-30: And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book, etc.
Incidentally...there is no etc in the passage. If the writer can't get that right what else is wrong.
The verse in question in context including the key part where John notes why things were recorded.
30Therefore many other signs Jesus also performed in the presence of the disciples, which are not written in this book; 31but these have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing you may have life in His name. John 20:30-31 NASB 95
In 1 John 5:13-15 he wrote this as well.
13These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. 14This is the confidence which we have before Him, that, if we ask anything according to His will, He hears us. 15And if we know that He hears us in whatever we ask, we know that we have the requests which we have asked from Him. 1 John 5:13-15 NASB 95
Seems John wants us to know we can know.
The passage below is quoted correctly though cited incorrectly...but it's an improvement. However, it doesn't support the argument the writer is trying to advance. John is noting not everything He did was written down. No one has ever claimed that.
Nor is a complete record of everything Jesus need required. Just the list of meals alone would be extensive.
However, when keeping John 20:30-31 in mind this passage is perfectly fine.
John 21-25: And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written everyone, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written Amen.
COMMENT: Since the Bible is incomplete, it needs something else to supplement it; i.e., the spoken or historically recorded word which we call Tradition.
This is a false claim that the Bible is somehow incomplete.
It ignores what John said about why he wrote his Gospel.
Further it denies what Paul wrote to Timothy regarding Scripture.
All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. 2 Timothy 3:16-17 NASB 95
What is lacking for the Roman Catholic are the dogmatic explinations for what this officially means. Without Rome's official position the Roman Catholic really has no guide on how to properly understand these and many other passages.
If this is the best the writer has this is hardly worth the effort.
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