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To: Roman_War_Criminal
Oh we get your wisdom too. Always enlightening to see a post from DouglasKC that drops the IQ ranking to 20.

Sorry to burst your bubble. But if you believe that Christ is going to secretly return and take the church away only to visibibly return later you've been decieved.

Rev 1:7  Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him , even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen. 

Mat 24:25  See, I have told you beforehand. 
Mat 24:26  "Therefore if they say to you, 'Look, He is in the desert!' do not go out; or 'Look, He is in the inner rooms!' do not believe it. 
Mat 24:27  For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. 

Those who espouse the secret rapture theory are just the same as though who preach that the messiah is hiding away somewhere on earth. WE aren't supposed to believe them. The REAL 2nd coming of Jesus will be visible and unmistakable. He will return in glory and power at the last trumpet. Not in secret and stealthily like a robber and a coward.

63 posted on 09/02/2023 6:56:57 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Oh I see....

You’re a SDA aren’t you?

Makes 100% sense.... carry on.


65 posted on 09/02/2023 6:57:41 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: DouglasKC

quote:

“Not in secret and stealthily like a robber and a coward.”

Ever hear of the phrase “A Thief in the Night”

Look it up in a concordance.


71 posted on 09/02/2023 7:22:11 PM PDT by patriot torch (..)
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To: DouglasKC

Yes to everything you said.

And I add...

“I am not aware that there was any definite teaching that there would be a SECRET RAPTURE of the Church at a secret coming, until this was given forth as an utterance in Mr. Irving’s Church, from what was there received as being the voice of the Spirit. But whether anyone ever asserted such a thing or not, it was from that supposed revelation that the modern doctrine and the modern phraseology respecting it arose. It came not from Holy Scripture, but from that which falsely pretended to be the Spirit of God, while not owning the true doctrine of our Lord’s incarnation in the same flesh and blood as His brethren, but without taint of sin.

The Hope of Christ’s Second Coming: How is it Taught in Scripture? And Why? Samuel Prideaux Tregelles. March 17, 1864.

****Tregelles was an EYEWITNESS to the event, when Margaret MacDonald made those utterances, and first time EVER hearing about the PTR theory. Minister and religious scholar, author.****

§ VIII. (p.23.)
“But there is a very different theory of the coming of the Lord as the hope of His Church, which many teach, and which many more receive, as though it were unquestioned truth.”

“It is said that there shall be a SECRET coming of the Lord Jesus Christ; that at this SECRET coming His believing people who are in their graves shall be raised, and the living changed, and that a secret rapture of the Church shall then take place; that this SECRET coming and SECRET rapture are our hope, and not the manifested appearing of Christ in the clouds of heaven.”

“It is said that after this SECRET removal of the Church, the full manifestation of human evil, for some years at least, will take place, during which time shall be the display of the power of Antichrist,—the persecutions foretold in the Revelation, the extreme trials of Israel, the unequaled tribulation,—and that the end of this will be the manifestation of Christ visibly coming with His Church in the cloud of glory.”

“This is the doctrine of the SECRET coming of Christ, which many now preach as if it were the acknowledged truth of God, instead of its being (as is really the case) that which at every point would require proof from Scripture.”

“But not only is this doctrine of the coming of Christ not taught in the Word of God, but if, in what has been previously said, there is any point of truth, then this whole system stands in distinct contradiction of what the Scripture reveals.”


117 posted on 09/02/2023 9:22:21 PM PDT by Philsworld
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To: DouglasKC

The Pre-Tribulation Rapture doctrine is a COUNTER-REFORMATION lie, devised by Jesuits, for the sole purpose of deflecting criticism that they, the Catholic Church, is the Little Horn/Antichrist power, prophesied of in the bible, which literally every single Reformer believed, and saw in prophecy, throughout the pages of the bible.

It is a matter of documented history, which I have linked to time and time again. Yet, they shut their eyes and plug their ears to the truth.

Francisco Ribera (Jesuit)
Cardinal Robert Bellarmine (Jesuit)
Michael Walpole (Jesuit)
Manuel De Lacunza (Jesuit)
Edward Irving
Margaret McDonald (ecstatic utterances)
Samuel Roffey Maitland
James H. Todd
John Henry Newman
John Nelson Darby
Arno C. Gaebelein
Cyrus Ingerson Scofield
Samuel Untermeyer
Lewis Sperry Chafer

Dallas Theological Seminary is the key place where the Jesuit concepts were taught to thousands of Pastors, including today’s top TV and radio personalities.


121 posted on 09/02/2023 9:31:05 PM PDT by Philsworld
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