Posted on 08/31/2023 7:46:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The pope yells about them. Joe Biden's FBI spies on them.
But in a rather astonishing development, efforts to suppress the traditional Latin Mass among the Catholics is booming, which kind of tells us what's really going on.
Even the mainstream media is noticing.
According to a page one story in the Miami Herald:
Traditional Latin Mass, also called the extraordinary form of the Roman rite, or the Tridentine Mass, has been celebrated in the Archdiocese of Miami for the past 40 years, beginning under former Archbishop Edward McCarthy. In recent years, Miami’s community has steadily grown, relocating to five different chapels in the past 10 years to acccommodate the growth.
Miami’s Latin Mass community has more than doubled in the past five years — up from an average of 112 congregants in 2017 to 320 in 2023 — according to records taken by Frank Andollo, who’s been going to the services for 10 years. People drive from as far north as Palm Beach County and as far south as the Florida Keys to make it to Latin Mass at Belen on Sundays.
(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...
if i were Catholic
i would be attending a latin mass
just cuz
Pope Francis accused some leaders of the US Catholic Church of “backwardness,” saying they have abandoned Christian doctrines in favor of political ideologies.“Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith,” the pope said during a private meeting with a Jesuit order in Lisbon earlier in August.
The transcripts from that meeting were just made public Monday, revealing the 86-year-old pope’s unfiltered opinion about a rift growing between some US religious leaders and the Vatican over his initiatives to modernize the Catholic Church.
Francis’ comments came after a Jesuit described encountering a number of Catholics and bishops who were critical of his papacy and the Vatican during a recent year-long stay in the US.
If this Pope yells, doesn’t anyone listen? Does anyone care?
WHO STILL SPEAKS LATIN TODAY?
https://carmentablog.com/why-latin-is-considered-a-dead-language-and-how-many-people-still-speak-it/
According to a study by the British Council, there are around 2 million people in the world who speak Latin as a first language. This number is likely to be much higher when including those who speak it as a second language. The majority of Latin speakers are found in Europe, with around 1.6 million people in Italy and another 1 million in Spain. There are also small pockets of Latin speakers in other parts of the world, including the United States, Brazil, and Mexico. Latin is also the official language of the Vatican City.
While the number of Latin speakers may seem small, the influence of the Latin language is still very strong. Many English words are derived from Latin, and it is estimated that around 60% of all English vocabulary is of Latin origin. Latin is also the language of the Roman Catholic Church, and it is used in many religious ceremonies and texts. In addition, Latin is the language of academia and is still used in many scientific and medical terms.
joshua, you are a trip...a very nice trip.
LOL
Francis’ comments came after a Jesuit described
And therein lies the problem.
Ignore and avoid ANYTHING a “Jesuit described”.
The fake pope is a Jesuit.
I once asked an elderly vocal student of mine why she loved the Latin Mass so much. Her answer was simple and elegant:
“I can go to Mass in China or Italy, or America or Japan, and anywhere else in the World, and, if it’s in Latin, I can understand and join in, because that’s how I was raised.”
She didn’t go on about Latin being a holy language, or any of the stuff about Vatican 2, nor did she criticize the text of the new liturgies.
To her, Latin was the unifying language so that Catholics all over the world could have the same Mass.
I am not Catholic, but that made sense to me.
I know there is a lot more to it, but for her, that was it.
People hear but they don’t like what they hear. Basically nobody cares about whatever this moribund apostate has to say. Bishops have visibility so they have to toe the line to a great extent, but the sheep are only interested in the words of the Shepherd, not the bantam rooster crowing in the barnyard.
Latin is the Universal Language of the Church...so if I go to Ireland, Moscow, China, Brazil...I should be able to attend a Latin Mass. Have the local language on the page facing...not a big deal....but to get rid of the Latin?? No reason to...
RE: “I can go to Mass in China or Italy, or America or Japan, and anywhere else in the World, and, if it’s in Latin, I can understand and join in, because that’s how I was raised.”
I’d really like to know how this woman learned an almost dead language like Latin.... where is it being taught nowadays?
Is there a Catholic Sunday school for Latine learners?
That’s not the point...Who speaks Greek today>>
I am not a Catholic.
But I have attended a Latin Rite Mass and it was one of the most beautiful religious experiences I’ve ever had. I’m happy for the Catholics who refuse to give up the beauty of their faith.
The Roman Prayer book has the vernacular text side by side with the Latin. Also, Sunday School and a lifetime of going to church made it familiar.
I never said she could Converse in Latin, but that the service was the same all over the world.
Those are two totally different things.
A perfect example would be a Lawyer’s familiarity with Latin legal terms, but could never engage in conversation with Julius Caesar.
A student of the New Testament knows a lot of Greek words, but would still be helpless in Greece without a phrasebook.
By the way, the oldest public school in the USA is Boston Latin School, which has six years of Latin. I went there in the early 60’s. Ity’s free, but you have to pass an exam to go there.
Our diocese gave the “trads” the smallest, least ornate, least well-equipped with a church hall/school, most run-down, and most “out of the way” Church for those practicing the Latin Rite.
Maybe I’m too political and cynical, or maybe the Bishop wanted to revive this tiny church and knew the traditionalists would achieve that. I don’t know.
Of course, that parish is packed to the gills on Sundays (if you don’t arrive early, you will have to sit/stand in the vestibule), has a beautiful choir and music program and is filled with young people and families.
You don't need to really know the language to follow the Latin Mass; you can just follow along in the missal; Latin is the left column, English is the right. (Pretty easy for English speakers; the alphabet is the same. Probably harder for people in, e.g., Japan.) You learn bits and pieces just by osmosis anyway.
If you really want to learn the language, most any college or university has a classics department that teaches Latin. (I actually took a year in high school* and then two years in college.) They teach classical Latin, which has some modest differences in pronunciation and grammar from ecclesiastical Latin, but that's not a big problem.
*It was a public high school in the late 1970's. For fun just before Christmas break, we read the Christmas story in St. Luke's gospel from the Latin Vulgate Bible. How shocking and scandalous is that?
RE: You don’t need to really know the language to follow the Latin Mass; you can just follow along in the missal; Latin is the left column, English is the right.
Well, this woman said:
“I can go to Mass in China or Italy, or America or Japan, and anywhere else in the World, and, if it’s in Latin, I can understand and join in, because that’s how I was raised.”
Do the missals in these countries also include English in their columns and other languages? If not, then she’s got to be multilingual to be able to follow it.
You own the missal, you can take it wherever you want to, and the Latin part of the mass will be the same. (The sermon won’t be in Latin, but that’s life. If it’s a Low Mass, there may be hymns sung that aren’t in Latin either.)
I live in a large midwestern city; and I am a member of a traditional Latin Mass parish. Total Sunday attendance at two Masses is 600; Sunday collection is approx. $7000. MANY young families with young children. We are starting to think about building an elementary school.
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