Posted on 08/27/2023 1:47:21 AM PDT by spirited irish
The recent parting of ways between the Southern Baptist Convention and Saddleback Church focused on the status of women with regard to pastoral leadership and ministry, but a recent video clip of the Southern California church’s senior pastors, Andy and Stacie Wood, suggests that the problem is much deeper than the presenting issue. Leading worship while dressed as characters from the Toy Storyfranchise suggests theological problems that go way beyond debates about the nature of Paul’s teaching on eldership.
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The great falling away ....it’s here ..it’s now
Yup
We are living in an age of towering evil and what do we have to stand against it but ridiculous clown show church for the discipling of childish entertainment seekers to go forth and do nothing.
There are Warriors on the field , gird your loins, put on the whole armor ..... it’s about to get real.
Yes, thank God.
Woe be unto those who call evil good and good evil. Churches today should be on their faces before the Lord.
Sadly, the majority of churches now have become clown shows — emphasis on “show”.
This morning we’ll try a new church and are hopeful that it will be a traditional and respectful service. It will be our last attempt. After that, it’ll be Charles Stanley, Adrian Rogers, etc., on TV
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May you be blessed in your walk in following Him.
Thanks. Every day we pray that He will lead us to the right church since we moved. This one looks promising.
We used to try a new church, and would stick through the whole service no matter how bad it was. Now, we get up and walk out if it’s too bad.
Thx!
There’s nothing women can’t ruin, nothing.
Madam, I am so thankful to have left my church of 25 years and found a solid, Bible teaching church- here in Massachusetts no less!!! Hope you have a good experience this morning.
I’ve searched and searched.
The one I attended for nearly 30 years changed to seeker sensitive after attendance dropped by 2/3 upon the moral failure and removal of the senior pastor.
The next one I tried is more like a hip-hop concert, with led flood lights blazing in your eyes and music so loud that outside the chapel is a box of foam ear plugs and also full over the ear protection, like the ones I use at the range. Nothing but topical teaching. Probably less than 10% bring their bibles to church, because each Sunday they hand out a fill in the blank note card. More like an entertaining ear tickling speech, with flesh humor and a little bit of Jesus sprinkled in. I flat out stood up, turned my back, gathered my Bible and belongings and walked out in the middle of one “teaching”.
At this church, I volunteered to lead a home group at my house, which was an incredible blessing to all. Not because of me at all, but because we came together in real fellowship, with joy, honesty, humility, tears and prayer. The church heard what was happening and viewed our group as a threat to their agenda and did everything they could to maliciously destroy the group. They wanted to control everything, even so far as to break me away to suggest I teach at their facility under their “leadership”. Too much to get into here though. I walked out and had enough. The members of the group saw what was happening and it divided us. 2/3 of the group wanted me to move under their control and 1/3 suggested that I begin a house church.
Now I attend a very conservative church, which, at first glance gives the Baptist vibe, though it isn’t Baptist, nor am I against the Baptist denomination per se. They are also very controlling. They do not have home groups. All the groups meet at their building.
Right now, I’m compilIng a presentation for this church on the idea and benefits of home groups, where people were much more comfortable in being themselves and honest, where real relationships happen and we share in each other’s burdens and struggles. If they adopt this, the body of Christ will thrive. If not, I’ll mention that I’m going to open my home again anyway.
I’ve held off for now, because there is the possibility for misunderstanding, whereby they may think I’m trying to create division, or to steal from their flock. I’ve wanted to give it time for them to see my character before proceeding further, but this house shall once again be a house of prayer, fellowship and study, building each other up in the faith.
...off to Bible study
Today, be blessed in Him and His love for you.
A few weeks ago, tired of looking, I simply told Google to find "churches near me".
The first result was a congregation less than five hundred feet from my front door.
They were in a building that used to house a primarily black Baptist church, that moved off a few years ago. I had no idea it was home for another church.
I visited them two weeks ago. They're mostly a Russian congregation, with some other Slavic families. They speak English and Russian both. I had no problem following along. A lot of age range. Most of all they really do strive to put Christ first. They're a very sincere, very friendly bunch and they made me feel very welcome.
I'm probably going back for a second visit today. Still can't believe I asked God to lead me to a church and it's one 450 feet from my living room, LOL
“here in Massachusetts no less!!”
Surprisingly, the most fundamental, Bible-based church we ever attended was in SoCal - Simi Valley. And now we live in the “buckle of the Bible Belt”, and it seems they’ve all gone modernistic. So disappointing.
A lot of churches today are simply improv clubs seeking to make money through entertainment.
“and removal of the senior pastor.”
That’s another thing I just don’t get.
Senior Pastor.
Visitation Pastor.
Worship Leader.
Youth Pastor.
My dad and uncles were pastors in medium-sized churches — approx. 250 attendees. They did it all, and taught Sunday School. The laymen and deacons were strong Godly men and gave vital support 100% of the time.
The pastor in our last church sashayed in between SS and church, and then hightailed out after invitation and closing hymn. Didn’t even GO to SS, much less teach a men’s class.
They did it all. Their wives (Mom and her sisters) played piano and organ, taught Sunday School, and organized the social functions. Baptists — lots of Fellowship Suppers - LOL!
Anyhow, enough about the good ol’ days.
Miracles still happen.
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