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To: daniel1212; Elsie
Also, as regards your missing person's graves argument, …..

Technically, it isn’t my argument. True I did post an article (which I linked) that included it. But it’s a pretty good argument. Mary isn’t just some flea bitten handmaiden. She is probably third only to the Beatles and Jesus Christ. Think of the money the RCC could make off of her relics alone (if they did exist). Are you mad, Bro?

984 posted on 08/24/2023 8:53:20 PM PDT by HandyDandy
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To: HandyDandy

Rome makes plenty of their Marian products.


986 posted on 08/24/2023 9:04:42 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: HandyDandy
Mary isn’t just some flea bitten handmaiden.

wow. I typically stay out of these and just watch from the sidelines..but THIS..LOL. What a sad, sad commentary.

Seriously..prayers up for scales to be removed from your eyes. Mary was “blessed amongst women”. I don’t venerate and pray to her (well, I don’t anymore) but I ain’t never met a person who would call her a “flea-bitten handmaiden” ..even as “here’s what we WOULDNT call her”. There is freedom out there. I absolutely found it..and didn’t even know I was looking for it.

991 posted on 08/24/2023 9:19:45 PM PDT by ZinGirl (Now a grandma ....can't afford a tagline :))
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To: HandyDandy; daniel1212; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; Roman_War_Criminal; ealgeone
Technically, it isn’t my argument. True I did post an article (which I linked) that included it. But it’s a pretty good argument. Mary isn’t just some flea bitten handmaiden. She is probably third only to the Beatles and Jesus Christ. Think of the money the RCC could make off of her relics alone (if they did exist). Are you mad, Bro?

Seriously? That's the best you can do to support the assumption of Mary? That if there really was a grave they'd be making money off of it and since they are not, it's somehow *proof* that Mary had no grave and was assumed???????

997 posted on 08/24/2023 11:53:19 PM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: HandyDandy
Technically, it isn’t my argument.

You adopted it.

Mary isn’t just some flea bitten handmaiden.

Strawwoman. I nowhere denigrated this pious, holy, virtuous, Spirit-filled instrument of God as a redeemed sinner, only the Cath hyper-exaltation of her far., far, far "above that which is written," contrary to what is written, (1 Co. 4:6) whether officially or with implicit sanction, as

an almost almighty demigoddess to whom "Jesus owes His Precious Blood" to,

whose [Mary] merits we are saved by,

who "had to suffer, as He did, all the consequences of sin,"

and was bodily assumed into Heaven, which is a fact (unsubstantiated in Scripture or even early Tradition) because the Roman church says it is, and "was elevated to a certain affinity with the Heavenly Father,"

and whose power now "is all but unlimited,"

for indeed she "seems to have the same power as God,"

"surpassing in power all the angels and saints in Heaven,"

so that "the Holy Spirit acts only by the Most Blessed Virgin, his Spouse."

and that “sometimes salvation is quicker if we remember Mary's name then if we invoked the name of the Lord Jesus,"

for indeed saints have "but one advocate," and that is Mary, who "alone art truly loving and solicitous for our salvation,"

Moreover, "there is no grace which Mary cannot dispose of as her own, which is not given to her for this purpose,"

and who has "authority over the angels and the blessed in heaven,"

including "assigning to saints the thrones made vacant by the apostate angels,"

whom the good angels "unceasingly call out to," greeting her "countless times each day with 'Hail, Mary,' while prostrating themselves before her, begging her as a favour to honour them with one of her requests,"

and who (obviously) cannot "be honored to excess,"

and who is (obviously) the glory of Catholic people, whose "honor and dignity surpass the whole of creation." Sources and more.

She is probably third only to the Beatles and Jesus Christ.

Not in Scripture, in which the Holy Spirit shows Paul as being the redeemed sinner who labored the most, birthing souls into the kingdom of God, even being willing to be damned in order to save his brethren according to the flesh, and fervently loving and unselfishly caring for the flock, and successfully enduring the most trials. This is simply what is written, though comparatively saint Paul is relatively marginalized in Catholicism.

Think of the money the RCC could make off of her relics alone (if they did exist). Are you mad, Bro?

the girdle and veil of Mary among other items, and while selling such relics them has been outlawed, though some merchants offer them, (3 years ago Ebay offered a small silver-plated case containing some hair of the Virgin Mary for a little more than $2,000) yet in the past relics were used to obtain mammon for Rome via selling the promise of indulgences.

And Rome could "remember" that some were real.

1,012 posted on 08/25/2023 2:47:45 AM PDT by daniel1212 (As a damned+destitute sinner turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves souls on His acct + b baptized 2 obey)
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