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To: metmom
How can it be "bait"... if you have air tight, locked down
sola scriptura, bible alone , bible only,
perspicuous scriptural verse(s)for an answer...
- on where in scripture the seventh day sabbath was abolished?


Who would be so foolish as to try to "bait" against something like that?


1,960 posted on 09/06/2023 8:54:33 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw; Elsie

They hate the Catholic Church, but they follow her SOLE AUTHORITY in keeping the Sunday sabbath, and therefore TRADITION. (most should go back to their “mother” church for that very reason, but even if they don’t outwardly do so, they are in effect doing it every Sunday, like Elsie and Metmom).

Rome’s Challenge brings it out nicely, as I’ve mentioned before. (not a video, so I guess Elsie could READ it if he wanted to)
https://www.romeschallenge.com/downloads/RomesChallenge.pdf

Then there’s the Council of Trent...., which should settle all matters for Catholic and Protestant (for most only in name, or course) alike:

THE JESUITS CAPTURE THE COUNCIL OF TRENT

This Society of Jesus proposed to subordinate the Holy Scriptures and in their place substitute the interpretations of the Bible by the ecclesiastical writers of the first centuries whom they called the “fathers.” All the errors and vagaries of the allegorizers who confused and darkened the first three centuries were selected. The first great papal council which assembled after the Reformation, the Council of Trent (A. D. 1545-1563), was dominated by the Jesuits. This assembly laid down the law, and no papal authority has dared since to dispute it.

In assembling this church council, Emperor Charles V gave the order that only the abuses in the church, not doctrine, should be considered. He was distracted to behold his realm divided between two contending churches, and it mattered little to him which creed prevailed. He only wished some general assembly to remedy conditions. The emperor desired Lutherans and Catholics to sit together in a general council, and he fondly believed Europe again would be united.

The influence of the Jesuits was immediately seen when the pope ignored the imperial command to notify the Reformers. Weeks passed, and finally the council organized itself and accepted the following as its first four decrees: (1) The Vulgate was the true Bible and not the Received Text which the Reformers followed and which had been the Bible of the Greek Church, the Church of the east, and the true churches of the West through the centuries; (2) tradition was of equal authority with the Sacred Scriptures; (3) the five disputed books found in the Catholic Bible, but rejected by Protestant scholars, were declared canonical; (4) the priests only, and not the laity, were capable of rightly interpreting the Scriptures.

When the emperor learned that the Protestants had not been called to the council, he was enraged. Uttering severe threats, he demanded that his original plan be executed. Though the pope reluctantly and with long delay obeyed, the decrees already passed irrevocably compromised the situation. The Lutherans refused to accept the insulting notifications. In the meantime the pope had died and his successor advocated Jesuit policies. The deliberations proceeded as they had begun. Decree after decree was proclaimed; doctrine after doctrine was settled. Repeatedly the emperor was misled until he expressed his anger strongly to the Roman pontiff over the deceitful maneuvering.

How were the church prelates to defend these doctrines which had no scriptural authority?

(AND HERE IT IS, BOYS AND GIRLS....)

Hours, weeks, and months; yes, many sessions went by with this anxious question in their hearts. Then, one morning, January 18, 1562, the archbishop of Rheggio hurried from his room and appeared before his confreres to proclaim that he had the answer.

**Protestants, he urgently reasoned, never could defend Sunday sacredness. If they continued to offer as their authority “the Bible and the Bible only,” it was clear that they had no Bible command for the first day of the week.**

According to Pallavicini, papal champion of the council, the archbishop said, “It is then evident that the church has power to change the commandments,” because by its power alone and not by the preaching of Jesus it had transferred the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Tradition, they concluded, was not antiquity, but continuous inspiration. None could continue to fight the acceptance of tradition when the only authority for Sunday sacredness in the church was tradition. This discovery nerved the council to go forward with its work.

All the doctrines against which the Reformers had protested were thus again formulated and strengthened by Rome. All the rites and practices which the Church in the Wilderness had straggled to escape were incorporated more strongly than ever into papal tradition by the twenty-five sessions of the council between 1545 and 1563.

Henceforth, the Papacy was to have only one mission in the world, namely, to command nations and men everywhere to submit to the Council of Trent. The new slogan now invented, which must go reverberating throughout the earth, was, “The Council of Trent, the Council of Trent, the Council of Trent.”

Here’s the link to the Council of Trent article, again, not in a video, so anyone can easily READ it, if they “do” written text, that is.

https://www.biblelightinfo.com/bssb-1443-1444.htm

This should be shouted at the ended of every Protestant Sunday service (maybe someone should make a video out of it?)

THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!
THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!
THE COUNCIL OF TRENT!


1,965 posted on 09/07/2023 12:56:24 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MurphsLaw

Nope. Not buying it. You keep changing the subject and won’t answer my questions.

It’s about why Catholics disparage sex between a husband and wife so much and you keep trying to change the topic make it about sola Scriptura and Sabbath worship. That’s the baiting and deflection.


1,968 posted on 09/07/2023 1:54:56 AM PDT by metmom (He who testifies to these things says, “Surely I am coming soon.” Amen. Come, Lord Jesus.)
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To: MurphsLaw

How can it be “bait”... if you have air tight, locked down
sola scriptura, bible alone , bible only,
perspicuous scriptural verse(s)for an answer...
- on where in scripture the seventh day sabbath was abolished?

That’s a fair argument and should be simple enough for METMOM to answer, then move on to her other issues.

But, METMOM can’t, because there is no sola scriptura, bible alone, perspicuous scriptural verse(s) for an answer on how, what, when, where, or why the 7th-day-Sabbath was abolished. It’s not there. All there is, is Catholic tradition and the Council of Trent.


1,970 posted on 09/07/2023 2:09:50 AM PDT by Philsworld
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To: MurphsLaw

Bait - it rhymes with wait - and that’s what we are doing, hoping that the RCC ‘list’ will soon appear.


1,982 posted on 09/07/2023 4:23:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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