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To: Elsie
Can't you read?
She was 'given' to John -


I think I can read pretty good...
but the issue you are erring on here,
seems to be one of [man-made] translation of scripture.
I cannot know which [man made] translation of God-Breathed
Holy scripture you are reading from...
but you are incorrectly reading into scripture John being "given" Mary.

The Greek text of this Crucifixion passage
Is properly translated into English AS "Behold" or "Look"
- AND is never translated as your "given"
in 30+ occurrences of scripture as IT IS WRITTEN...

So yeah, your changing God-Breathed scripture there...
Whats really cool about the greek there- ( beyond the fact that it doesnt mean "given"
as you want some to believe)
But its the exact same word the Angel uses to calm the Shepherds,
And the same word Gabriel uses to tell Mary...
"Behold, you will conceive..."
(Neither of these usages imply "given" either).
That's pretty cool though- from the very Beginning...Behold...
to the Finish on the Cross... Behold.,,

This doesn't mean you are wrong in your opinion,
Im just saying you cant change the meaning of Holy text
to make it say what you want.

What kind of Tradition is that?


1,814 posted on 09/04/2023 9:41:20 PM PDT by MurphsLaw (Jer 17 "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately corrupt; who can understand it"?)
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To: MurphsLaw
seems to be one of [man-made] translation of scripture.

But I didn't translate nuffin - just read it.

1,825 posted on 09/05/2023 5:48:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
AND is never translated as your "given"

MY given??


Because we love her, as the Mother given us from the Cross.

I was reacting to YOUR statement.

1,826 posted on 09/05/2023 5:49:43 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
So yeah, your changing God-Breathed scripture there...

(Grammer police were notified, but they refused to come to the scene.)


John 19:26-29 Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition

26 When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son.
27 After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.


So where is the "US" that appears in your statement?

Because we love her, as the Mother given us from the Cross.

(It appears that I am not the one changing GOD breathed scripture here.)

1,827 posted on 09/05/2023 5:57:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw
Im just saying you cant change the meaning of Holy text to make it say what you want.

OMG!!


1,828 posted on 09/05/2023 5:58:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: MurphsLaw

—> I cannot know which [man made] translation of God-Breathed Holy scripture you are reading from... but you are incorrectly reading into scripture John being “given” Mary.

……..

📖 26Ἰησοῦς οὖν ἰδὼν τὴν μητέρα καὶ τὸν μαθητὴν παρεστῶτα ὃν ἠγάπα λέγει τῇ ‡μητρί· Γύναι, ‡ἴδε ὁ υἱός σου·27εἶτα λέγει τῷ μαθητῇ· ‡Ἲδε ἡ μήτηρ σου. καὶ ἀπʼ ἐκείνης τῆς ὥρας ἔλαβεν ὁ μαθητὴς αὐτὴν εἰς τὰ ἴδια.

Literal Greek translation…

🔎 “Then Jesus, having seen His mother and the disciple whom He was loving standing by, says to His mother, Woman, see, your son. Then He says to the disciple, See, your mother. And from that hour, the disciple just mentioned took her to his own home.”

John knew exactly what Jesus said and meant.

Jesus, as first-born son, had an obligation to see that His mother was cared for. He chose the (present) disciple he loved to care for her as his own mother, transferring this heart felt obligation. It was also the language used in formal adoptions. Christ placed Mary under John’s authority as head of household.

“From that hour…” John “took her to *his own home*”

Anything more is not found in this passage or the rest of scripture.

Certainly nothing about Mary being anyone else’s mother.


1,835 posted on 09/05/2023 10:28:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (Fraud vitiates everything)
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To: MurphsLaw; Elsie; metmom
Then He said to the disciple, “Behold, your mother!” From that hour the disciple took her into his own household. John 19:27 NASB

The text makes it clear of the transaction that has happened.

After Jesus said, Behold, your mother.....the disciple took her into his own household.

The word given doesn't have to be in the text as anyone with an 8th grade reading level can/should understand what has happened in this passage.

1,858 posted on 09/05/2023 8:36:14 PM PDT by ealgeone
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